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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2022

They were already removed for the opening of the North wing. New concourse flooded, opening pushed back to the end of the year. Gate space need on commuter wing in the interim. The blast fences in front of the North jetways were recently where those south gates are. It's just easier to make those g...

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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2022

Anyone know why the jetbridges were removed from the north side of the south finger United Express gates on Concourse B? https://i.imgur.com/WbOw4Yc.jpeg They were already removed for the opening of the North wing. New concourse flooded, opening pushed back to the end of the year. Gate space need o...

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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2022

Anyone know why the jetbridges were removed from the north side of the south finger United Express gates on Concourse B?

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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2022

I got an email from United today about the sad state of their club situation in DEN right now along with some renders. I'm understanding (and intentionally plan to never visit the lone open club there right now), but this email seems maybe a few months too late. I poked my head in the temporary clu...

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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2022

Sub-core https://i.imgur.com/FA0YMQsh.jpg What are these escalators for? I didn't think the A West Expansion would have a ground-level passenger facility. Looks like those are escalators up, not down. You can see the windows in the background. I'm guessing they're escalators up to a club or concess...

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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2022

It will probably be delayed longer, I have heard rumors that it may not open until the end of the year now due to supply issues. The old south finger is having the gates that were taken out of put back in service as ground load gates. I don't think they would go through the effort is it was opening...

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Re: Denver Aviation Thread - 2022

DEN1895 wrote:
Sub-core

What are these escalators for? I didn't think the A West Expansion would have a ground-level passenger facility.

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Re: 4 MEA aircraft damaged by gunfire at BEY

https://www.masco.com.lb/Services/aircraft-maintenance/

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Re: United 747 fuselage to be used in Seattle building

Here's what it will look like: https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5b4b8b7689c17224f59324c5/1584732430196-XAQPVGSZT02ZOOB3LCPQ/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kEcV9XFBfqPmnZJ0IYFlbht7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z5QHyNOqBUUEtDDsRWrJLTmD3GJgI7_jN764QbmlaUTk4hB6erdxRwl31Q...

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Re: OAG Changes 3/8/2020:AA Drops PHX-PIT/TPA,CHAPHL,DFWOAK Adds ORDHNL;DL Drops KIXSEA;UA Drops IAHCAK,FLLSFO,IAHYEG,MS

FAQ This is highly interesting. I proposed recently that PAE may see a prop carrier soak up slots at AS' behest. **M5 BFI-PAE MAY 0>2[0] JUN 0>2[0] JUL 0>2[0] AUG 0>2[0] SEP 0>2[0] OCT 0>0.7[0] **M5 ESD-PAE MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0] JUL 0>1.0[0] AUG 0>1.0[0] SEP 0>1.0[0] OCT 0>0.4[0] **M5 FRD-PAE M...

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Re: AS announces CVG service

RWA380 wrote:
In fact there is yet another Ohio city being considered still.

Cleveland

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Re: AS to join OneWorld / AA to make SEA an Intl gateway

No it isn't. It's an international airport where 58% of its international traffic is O/D and another 30% is from the local regional airports from the states I outlined earlier and YVR. Only 12% is from literally anywhere else. International gateway my right arm... It is an international gateway, th...

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Re: AS to join OneWorld / AA to make SEA an Intl gateway

Make SEA an international gateway? That's a bad joke. Generally speaking you will be 1.5-2 hours faster flying from the East and Midwest down to SFO/LAX and then west on to Asia, Australia, and New Zealand vs. going first up to YVR, a mere 20 minute flight from SEA. The local traffic from Washingto...

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Re: OAG Changes 2/16/2020:China-geddon;AD Suspends BEL-FLL;NK Adds SEA-BUR,Cuts SEA-DFW;Hopskotch Air?;Deep WN MAX Cuts

But I have to wonder if this is a LGB situation where they think if they can get all the slots it will magically be successful by keeping out competitors. LGB proved that isn't a panacea. I'd argue competition is needed for these types of new markets to take hold. The difference with LGB is you hav...

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Re: OAG Changes 2/16/2020:China-geddon;AD Suspends BEL-FLL;NK Adds SEA-BUR,Cuts SEA-DFW;Hopskotch Air?;Deep WN MAX Cuts

But I have to wonder if this is a LGB situation where they think if they can get all the slots it will magically be successful by keeping out competitors. LGB proved that isn't a panacea. I'd argue competition is needed for these types of new markets to take hold. The difference with LGB is you hav...

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Re: MEA to only accept payments in USD due foreign currency liquidity crisis

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-leba ... SKBN20A0BV

mercure1 wrote:
And this airline wants to take 15 A321NEOs and A330NEO starting later this year?

And why would they not? MEA is not financially hurting at all.

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Re: AS to join OneWorld / AA to make SEA an Intl gateway

maps4ltd wrote:
Are the BLR and LHR flights going to arrive at S and be towed over to D?

No, there are no widebody capable gates on Concourse D.

The only widebody gates at SEA are on Concourse A and the South Satellite.

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Re: AS to join OneWorld / AA to make SEA an Intl gateway

AS does plenty of hard stand operations now. Even when the North Satellite renovation completes next year, they will still be doing hard stand operations, especially if they continue to grow.

There just aren't enough gates in SEA during peak times of the day.

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Re: OAG Changes 2/16/2020:China-geddon;AD Suspends BEL-FLL;NK Adds SEA-BUR,Cuts SEA-DFW;Hopskotch Air?;Deep WN MAX Cuts

I feel like the PAE experiment is unwinding Don't think so. AS said in November that it was looking at starting PAE-ORD and PAE-DFW. If AS is able to acquire UA's 3 spare slots from cutting SFO-PAE, they can make it happen. With the AS/AA tie-up, this makes ORD and DFW now even more likely. Do you ...

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Re: OAG Changes 2/16/2020:China-geddon;AD Suspends BEL-FLL;NK Adds SEA-BUR,Cuts SEA-DFW;Hopskotch Air?;Deep WN MAX Cuts

PAE really underperforms vs SEA. I feel like the PAE experiment is unwinding Don't think so. AS said in November that it was looking at starting PAE-ORD and PAE-DFW. If AS is able to acquire UA's 3 spare slots from cutting SFO-PAE, they can make it happen. With the AS/AA tie-up, this makes ORD and ...

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Re: OAG Changes 2/16/2020:China-geddon;AD Suspends BEL-FLL;NK Adds SEA-BUR,Cuts SEA-DFW;Hopskotch Air?;Deep WN MAX Cuts

AS PAE-PDX JUL 3>2[4] AUG 3>2[4] SEP 3>2[4] OCT 3>2[4] NOV 3>2[3] PAE really underperforms vs SEA. They are launching PAE-BOI and with AS being capped at 18 flights, they have to trim a flight from somewhere. Same thing happened when they added PAE-GEG. If AS is able to add more direct destinations...

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Re: OAG Changes 2/9/2020:NK Cuts BOSRDU,DEN-DFW/MSY,MSP-DFW/IAH,Adds LGAMCO;AS Adds PAEBOI;MU Ends HNLPVG,SFOTAO;SA IAD?

How can this be good? I wonder if this blocks the prime "slot" opened by UA ending SFO. **AS BOI-PAE JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0>1.0[0] AUG 0>1.0[0] SEP 0>1.0[0] OCT 0>1.0[0] NOV 0>1.0[0] Nothing to do with UA ending SFO. They're dropping PAE-PDX from 3x to 2x to support launching BOI. https://www...

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Re: Washington State Aviation Thread - 2020

-Performance of PAE flights: AS is suspending PAE-PSP for the winter and UA is switching 2 of their 3 SFO flights to CR2s starting in April, but other than that, things have been rather quiet. Even though the current facilities haven't been open for long, is there a possibility of an eventual expan...

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Re: Delta launches operations center expansion in SEA

What I find interesting is the relocation to B, which indicates a further shift away from S. I’ve suspected that DL would prefer to be focused in A and B, closing the Sky Club in S. B is where they found available space, so I wouldn't read much more into it. I don't think this will have any direct ...

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Re: Delta launches operations center expansion in SEA

Which will actually decrease # of gates Nope, the number of gates isn't changing. Concourse A will still be flexible, handling a combination of either 14 narrowbody airplanes or 2 narrowbody and 8 widebody airplanes or some combination in between that. All depends on the mixture of aircraft, but th...

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Re: OAG Changes 12/29/2019: UA Adds DEN-DDC,ORD-DEC, Drops IAH-CAE/DAY

CX launched HKG-SEA at 4x weekly before ramping it up to daily due to stronger than expected demand. It's now 4x/5x weekly depending on the week. Considering the ongoing political situation in Hong Kong, I'm not surprised to see reductions. Plenty of CX routes have seen reductions. And HKG-SEA will ...

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Re: OAG Changes 12/29/2019: UA Adds DEN-DDC,ORD-DEC, Drops IAH-CAE/DAY

CX HKG-SEA SEP 1.0>0.7[1.0] DL struggled to run SEA-HKG daily and now apparently CX can’t maintain daily either. I don’t see SQ or CX lasting long in SEA. SQ doesn't operate HKG-SEA. They operate SIN-SEA, which they are increasing capacity on: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/28821...

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Re: Alaska meltdown at SEA

The Seattle Times misled you and you keep falling for it. Surely that's not the first time you've been duped. Let me ask you this: Is an AeroLogic pilot a Lufthhansa or DHL employee? Answer: they are an AeroLogic employee. Yes they are an AeroLogic employee, just as I have referred to McGee Air Ser...

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Re: Alaska meltdown at SEA

The Seattle Times misled you and you keep falling for it. Surely that's not the first time you've been duped. Let me ask you this: Is an AeroLogic pilot a Lufthhansa or DHL employee? Answer: they are an AeroLogic employee. Yes they are an AeroLogic employee, just as I have referred to McGee Air Ser...

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Re: Alaska meltdown at SEA

For the sake of argument, let’s just call McGee Air Services an internal third party vendor rather than an external third party vendor. Regardless of who owns the vendor, the bigger POINT is that the McGee pay and benefits package is likely not commensurate with the pay and benefits package that AS...

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Re: Alaska meltdown at SEA

For the sake of argument, let’s just call McGee Air Services an internal third party vendor rather than an external third party vendor. Regardless of who owns the vendor, the bigger POINT is that the McGee pay and benefits package is likely not commensurate with the pay and benefits package that AS...

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Re: Alaska meltdown at SEA

I didn't put words into your mouth. I responded to your postings. Yes you did put words in my mouth. You accused me of not caring about how the ground handling employees are poorly treated by AAG/AS. When I made no such comment anywhere in this thread, about the treatment of ground handling employe...

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Re: Delta launches operations center expansion in SEA

It's good timing for this as the International Arrivals Facility (IAF), which Delta will be the biggest user of, will have just opened. Which will actually decrease # of gates Nope, the number of gates isn't changing. Concourse A will still be flexible, handling a combination of either 14 narrowbod...

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Re: Alaska meltdown at SEA

We are arguing over technicalities here... McGee is owned by Alaska Air Group. They are not an external 3rd party provider like Swissport. They are an internal subsidiary. DGS is a bit different now that Delta doesn't fully own them anymore. That's not the case for McGee. The answer stems from. the...

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Re: Alaska meltdown at SEA

BA - This whole debacle can be traced back to 2005 when AS unilaterally fired longtime permanent workers. Ask those employees if they feel this is "semantics". Menzies, McGee, whatever - are all a direct result of Alaska's decision back in 2005, and they can own it. Which is why, even the...

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Re: Alaska meltdown at SEA

Don't know why you argue with everyone. These ARE NOT Alaska Airlines employees with AS pay and benefits. Simple as that. Sorry that it bothers you that I'm looking at the bigger picture here and defending my position for it. Anyways, this issue of whether McGee is outsourced or not is a matter of ...

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Re: Alaska meltdown at SEA

McGee is outsourced work. AAG just happens to own the vendor. Alaska Air Lines (also a subsidiary of AAG) does not own McGee. I have no sympathy for airlines when their vendors crap the bed, owned or not. You get what you pay for. That's not correct. McGee Air Services is directly owned by Alaska A...

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Re: Alaska meltdown at SEA

Yes, they did - https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/stories/2005/05/09/daily27.html No they do not. The article and occurrence you are referring to happened in 2005. We are in the year 2019, not 2005. AS does not currently outsource any ground handling operations at SEA. All ground handling is done...

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Re: Delta launches operations center expansion in SEA

It's good timing for this as the International Arrivals Facility (IAF), which Delta will be the biggest user of, will have just opened.

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Re: Alaska meltdown at SEA

Did not AS outsource ground handling at SEA? No, they have their own ground handling subsidiary. https://www.mcgeeairservices.com/ Yes, they did - May 13, 2005, 7:20am PDT Updated May 13, 2005, 2:35pm PDT Alaska Airlines Inc. has released 472 baggage handlers and other unionized ramp-service employ...

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Re: OAG Changes 12/22/2019:AS Cuts LAX-FLL/SLC,SFOMSY,OGGSMF,PAEPSP,PDXPHL,SANSLC;F9 Adds Many Routes;AA Cuts JFK Again;

PAE-PSP gets cut in late May, with AS adding a 2nd daily on PAE-SNA. It then returns in early October with PAE-SNA going back down to 1x daily. AS is capped at 18 flights a day at PAE, so it has to strategically make the best use of its frequencies. Considering the winter seasonal nature of PSP, it ...

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Delta launches operations center expansion in SEA

Should be complete 4th quarter next year. Delta Air Lines launches Sea-Tac Airport operations center expansion Delta Air Lines will relocate and modernize its Sea-Tac airport communications center, the backbone of its fast-growing Puget Sound flight operations. https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/ne...

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Re: Alaska meltdown at SEA

https://www.mcgeeairservices.com/

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Re: AS to add mainline BIL/BZN/MSO - SEA

Sorry had a typo.. hope that is more clear. Will this be the first mainline to PAE? For God’s sake terminate in SEA for Everett. I keep getting lit up mailboxes! DAL- SEA is going to have mainline. Starting to wish i never even mentioned it. Why even bring up PAE/Everett in the first place? That's ...

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Re: OAG Changes 12/22/2019:AS Cuts LAX-FLL/SLC,SFOMSY,OGGSMF,PAEPSP,PDXPHL,SANSLC;F9 Adds Many Routes;AA Cuts JFK Again;

Every discussion regarding AS changes ends up evolving into an AS/B6 merger discussion... AS doesn't need to have hubs spread across the U.S. in order to stay viable. It stays viable by being a financially successful and well run operation with a loyal frequent flyer base. Regarding the VX acquisiti...

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Re: OAG Changes 12/8/2019: AA Drops COR;EW Builds DUS (?)

I could be entirely wrong here but my understanding is that they reallocate gates based on seat offered. So upgauging would allow they to get more gates. In an article, I think as management actually said they would lose gates if they don't have enough seats or something like that. I could be entir...

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Re: OAG Changes 12/8/2019: AA Drops COR;EW Builds DUS (?)

That's why I said upgauge in order to get more gates. But if there are no gates to get than what good does upgauging on routes that don't necessarily warrant it do? Moving from an E175 to an A220 or a A320 doesn't make a difference if there just aren't any extra gates to give DL. That's just pissin...

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Re: OAG Changes 12/8/2019: AA Drops COR;EW Builds DUS (?)

AS is a lot stronger than DL at SEA. And AS is dumping a lot of capacity next summer. It's putting all its eggs in there and after cutting back on a bunch of money losing routes out of Bay Area. I presume a lot of these adds are not really great for margins, but they have to do it since SEA allocat...

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Re: Condor Adds FRA-YEG, MUC-SEA/YHZ

I'm actually surprised that Condor is going to compete with LH on the SEA-MUC route. DE has AS' stateside feed to assist it, so they probably see it as worthwhile. Same reason that FRA-SEA is their only daily yearround TATL route, despite LH having long been on that as well. I would be interested t...

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Re: Update on PAE (Everett) Commercial Passenger Service

https://www.heraldnet.com/business/with ... takes-off/

I wonder if they'll cut PDX in order to launch them.

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