Re: Trump expected to withdraw from the Paris agreement

Total denial, as usual and very little else. Children will be wearing masks and will thank you. Just make them pretty.... Unless enlightened people like some mayors and governors will take matters in their hands and manage to save the lot of you, including the trumpists. Your children's future deser...

Re: NATO and Trump

seahawk wrote:

Europe is an enemy in the war for economic prosperity. The US should get out of NATO asap.

Re: Trump expected to withdraw from the Paris agreement

bob patterson :; " How many people in the USA have to go around wearing masks against foul air? What's the situation in China? Try Googling "Air Pollution in India? Try the article in The Economist." You are so much in denial that India and China are your points of comparison ? Questi...

Re: Trump expected to withdraw from the Paris agreement

DfwRevolution :" It is easy to imagine that the Paris Agreement will have the unintended consequence of shifting more and more of the world's manufacturing base away from clean economies (U.S., EU, Japan) and to dirty economies (China, India), thereby making everyone worse off. " The US is...

Re: NATO and Trump

How many times and in how many languages do you want it : Today, NATO is dead as it used to be. trump may still have Britain and the Wisegrad countries as allies. As far as the rest is concerned ( don't know about Canada ), they will slowly but surely be going their own way. Thank you Donald, I've b...

Re: Trump expected to withdraw from the Paris agreement

ElPistolero : "Meh. The storm around this withdrawal has little to do with the actual agreement, and a lot more to do with the giant "F you" and assorted insults being hurled at the rest of the world." ... To which the world has now responded, the bluntest by the Berliner Kurier ...

Re: NATO and Trump

Europe would like to see America honor its word in the Paris agreement, so we all would like something. Since presidents Trumps decision today, America has lost its right to complain. Paris accords were not a treaty and never submitted to be ratified by the US Congress, while NATO is a treaty. Two ...

Re: Trump expected to withdraw from the Paris agreement

Yes; what is the value of the POTUS inked deal? Zero ? On another thread, that was exactly the discussion I was having with one poster : Methods of weaseling out of international accords : one is to call them all *treaties*, which will then require a senate ratification of 2/3 of the votes.. But it...

day I have never envisaged

This is a great day ! A day I would not have dreamed of, when I saw a German Newspaper's front page : Berliner Kurier today ... click on the image to the left to expand... Alright, alright ! it is just a tabloid, but then again , it just shows how DT is seen and how the US government has completely ...

Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Regarding the military, European partners have tried to shape their armies to make them more compatible with the US and the wishes of the US. Not a lot has changed : for instance, in Belgium, there is still the possibility of the FAéB warplanes to carry nuclear weapons, possibility that only exists...

Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Lot : "About as much as criminal idiot socialists in France circa 5/1968, which is nothing." Before we went forward, I'd like to clear something : my comment was addressed to Mercure's post. As far as *poetry* is concerned, you, Lot, have failed, miserably. And yes, your grasp of history i...

Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Wow !
This is a new monster :A poetic troll !
Never thought I'd see one !
But like all poets, it lacks knowledge and logical reasoniing, in terms of politics, economics, social and financial matters...
... almost of everything, really.

Re: NATO and Trump

Bob Patterson : " Will you please stop babbling long enough to think? I asked a question. You respond by thanking me for something I did not do? First, you now admit that there is no treaty. Therefore, there is nothing to weasel out of. Please keep in mind that what is often called a treaty els...

Re: NATO and Trump

L410 : "b] What relevance does it have to the topic of the thread? [/b]" It's just a little measure of how you can - could - adapt to a Union of more than two ; You failed that one too. " What's the big deal? " We've discovered that we cannot trust you : you're in just for moling...

Re: NATO and Trump

so, weaseling out of a treaty that the US has ratified (the climate change one ) is ok ? Please cite the date of ratification by the Unites States Senate. Thanks. Thanks for showing us how potus is weaseling out of international agreements : The COP 21 agreement was signed by the United States on 2...

Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

Your understanding of history is tremendously / awsomely incredible, seahawk. I'm flabbergasted. Tommy1808 : " It is already changing the world, China got more powerful and will probavly be the lead nation in whatever replaces TPP, and needing and/or relaying on the US or defense less will prob...

Re: NATO and Trump

KLDc10 : ..." Weaseling out of an agreement is not right - which is why, even though I am thoroughly opposed to the Paris Climate Change Agreement, I do not advocate the USA backing out of it now. It's a bad deal, but it has been agreed upo n." so, weaseling out of a treaty that the US has...

Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

...the presidency which changed the world.

Re: Merkel: Europe 'can no longer rely on allies' after Trump and Brexit

HoooH WheeeEEh ! I have this warm and fuzzy feeling this morning that - at last - things are moving the way I hoped they would : Europe is back ! Thank you, thank you thank you Donald and Theresa, you managed to do what thousands of us militant Europeans haven't been able to achieve : push the EU po...

Re: NATO and Trump

L410, : :confused: :confused: :confused: You should try and drink less of slivovive or keep away from the becherovka.... That will help your understanding of politics ( if it were true, would you be part of the EU, you who couldn't even manage to keep on an association of TWO countries ?)

Re: NATO and Trump

And still he thinks in terms of payments ;-) Of course he does, because no matter how sanctimonious the sniveling leaders of European countries are (I'll single out France and Luxembourg because French President Macron and whoever the Prime Minister of Luxembourg is were videoed snickering during T...

Re: NATO and Trump

to aviationaware : Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah ! For us in the EU, the Brexit saga is being used by some as a distraction : You should accept the remark that the UK wants to be, in Brussels, the main subject of discussion... but in fact, we couldn't care less : the UK is for most of us, already a *thir...

Re: NATO and Trump

OUCH !

Re: NATO and Trump

to aviationaware : I don't want to comment on the US internal politics : That's your problem and that's what you have to deal with. For me, the problem is about : - how much we can trust this guy ( hint : not a lot...) - what we could achieve with him ( hint : bu§§er all...let's do our own things on...

Re: NATO and Trump

BobPatterson : « His main purpose was to childishly berate the other heads of state over money (old news). As for real news, I still have not learned how much the new headquarters cost. Probably far too much. » 1/-That’s still the most ridiculous of Trump’s arguments : he’s deliberately leading on a...

Re: NATO and Trump

This thread is so amusing it could go - should go - to the hall of fame of suicidal trumpisms; 1/- First of all Trump's speech reminds me a lot of Maggie Thatcher's " My money ! My money ! " claims at the EU in the seventies! I've got news for you trumpists : no European country owes the U...

Re: Brexit - EU position

I think what blrsea is saying is that the UK has the option to negotiate a minimalist free trade agreement that has good chances to pass relatively quickly (before Brexit preferably), or to try for an all-of-the-above deal that will never be ratified in time. Let's put that into perspective : Accor...

Re: Brexit - EU position

This is a very funny episode : Apparently the mistake came on the definition of *exclusive competences* for the EU Commission and those of the member states. So a few people just wanted the "bloody difficult woman" to have as a sole opponent a very weak EU Commission led by a "drunkar...

Re: Brexit - EU position

NOT SO FAST !!!

Re: Brexit - EU position

But in fact they can't create more delay as the end of the delay is known: 29 march 2019 0 h CET. UK general election is an internal affair that May is using to try to get 5 years uncontested power. It is nice for her but I don't see what it could change for Brexit. Well an extension can be request...

Re: Brexit - EU position

The parliament has a huge role to play in ensuing that what is negotiated is passed into law in the UK, the slim majority of the government meant that those in denial could create even more delays. But in fact they can't create more delay as the end of the delay is known: 29 march 2019 0 h CET. UK ...

Re: Brexit - EU position

When flawed perception leads to defamation : A very good example of that process happened here : See LAH1 post #581 : " you'll notice that most -but not all - UK posters have either stopped posting or post less often. Whilst it's good to discuss with those who put good balanced and informative ...

Re: Brexit - EU position

Ditto, on everything ! ( and I know I've been the most vocal anti Brit on this forum... so I know what I wrote : That Farage had appealed to the basest instinct of the UK crowd is completely true, that the UK is proof that a democratic act - the referendum - leads to a series of bloody un- democrati...

Re: Brexit - EU position

Yeah ! I'm interested, too !

Re: Brexit - EU position

Why? May has said she will not block anything regarding anything which will take effect after 2019. Ever heard of Pinocchio ? Sure, but he was French, not British :D Oh ! Dutchy !!! You should be more au fait with European culture : Carlo Collodi invented Geppetto who created Pinocchio : They were ...

Re: Brexit - EU position

Dutchy wrote:

olle wrote:

EU Defense is on its way. But UK use its veto until 2019.

Why? May has said she will not block anything regarding anything which will take effect after 2019.

Re: Brexit - EU position

BCalDc10 : "I know it is a terrible thing to mention, but when push comes to some shove about you know - stuff - the UK will say - well you still want all our top class GCHQ security service assistance or not? " I knew there was somewhere an article I read on that very subject, but on the ...

Re: Brexit - EU position

We in Europe do not care : in 22 months, the obstacles will be all but forgotten. They can do all they wish and if push comes to shove, the 27 could just invoke the sub-article that allows them to decide on an event that happens after the exit of the leaving country..... shrug... and as usual, I thi...

Re: Brexit - EU position

I know that the main point of the leavers and their supporters on this site - and everywhere else, for that matters is that we, the EU are out to punish the UK for leaving. Nothing could be further ( fArther ?) from the truth :! One could define punishment as a set of actions outside the frame of co...

Re: Brexit - EU position

speedbored : " Arrgggghhh - so hard to resist replying to some of the nonsense posted here." The nonsense is from your side : " Only one third of EU members are currently net contributors to the EU, effectively paying for access. Two thirds of members, as net beneficiaries, effectivel...

Re: Brexit - EU position

Old Dog : "It s the UK that leave the EU not the other way. If someone is trying to break the EU it is not the EU...." That's very easily forgotten - or worse, and mostly in a very dishonest way by the brexiteers, used as a main argument. Poor victimized things ! But who wanted - still doe...

Re: Brexit - EU position

The negotiations for the EU-South Korea FTA started in 2007 and it is only provisionally in place, so I'm not sure it's such a great example. Also, it was mostly done under the radar. Not true : The agreement has been signed . It's only the 'phased ' implementation that is currently been monitored ...

Re: Brexit - EU position

BcalDc10 : " Could you explain why his explanation is trolling? I've been on this board MANY years. the opinion put forward is a valid opinion. Explain the trolling. " It is about, as usual among the leavers, putting the blame, the idiocy onto others : they'vre done nothging, they've alway...

Re: Happy Europe Day

Santé ; Prosit ; Salud ; Saude .................etc........... to a great Lady !

Re: Centrist Macron is the next French President

Aesma wrote :" I don't see Macron as a savior, but at the same time I fail to identify anyone in French politics (or even outside) I'd rather have as a leader. I agree with him even when he committed what was seen as blunders, like what he said in Algeria ." That's wisdom. The "provid...

Re: Brexit - EU position

JJJ wrote : "Excuse me? "These are the rules unless notified otherwise" is standard legalese for just about everything. And of course there's the tons of accompanying documents at the time where the big questions were asked. The long-term plan was clearly laid up by the likes of Schum...

Re: Centrist Macron is the next French President

The amount of delusion is tragically patheti;;; and pathetically tragic, depending on how one feels. Talk about a brainwashed population unable to formulate their own arguments, repeating ad nauseam the slogans of a few manipulative leaders and of course totally unable to reason or to provide proof ...

Re: Brexit - EU position

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Community Which agrees with what I am saying. No. It certainly does not : The ECSC was the origin of everything and the model of all community treaties.It had a parliament and a court of Justice... already... When in 1957 the treaty on the European Co...

Re: Brexit - EU position

The UK has contributed Zilch to helping Greece I never claimed that we did but you are wrong, we have, and continue to, contribute to Greece as it is a net beneficiary of the EU. You might also want to check who contributes to the IMF funds that Greece has also been helped out with. Yes, that was y...

Re: Brexit - EU position

You've apparently not read enough from the Europhiles on this site. Quite a few are certainly not ashamed to claim their wish for a closer union, ultimately a federal entity. Right now, we think that the access of the Eastern European states to the EU has been too quick, without changes in the Const...