Some of the above F-16XL carrier arguments are meaningless. The reality is that a big part of Navy fighter design is the max weight landing speed, as in how much unused ordnance can a fighter land with. The F-14 was originally intended to be able to land with 6 phoenix missiles but it failed that r...
Jump to postSome of the above F-16XL carrier arguments are meaningless. The reality is that a big part of Navy fighter design is the max weight landing speed, as in how much unused ordnance can a fighter land with. The F-14 was originally intended to be able to land with 6 phoenix missiles but it failed that re...
Jump to postAt full burner the SH is supersonic even heavily loaded with the canted pylons, you just won't have much fuel left after you do. For a SH to go supersonic though the better option is to trade altitude for speed which is a standard procedure. Are you sure on that, I'm only going off a memory of that...
Jump to postAt a guess I would say area ruling would be the primary difference. F-8 was designed as a fighter with speed as a requirement. I think the A-7 quickly earned the moniker SLUF, (short little ugly f****er) as it wasn't designed for high speed. A-7 like the A-6 before it (and all other ground attack fi...
Jump to postInterestingly the article claims that the T1 aircraft are going to be sold on the international market. Will be interesting to see who is a likely candidate for these aircraft. Italy is trying to sell their T1s, Austria has a love hate relationship with their T1s and now Germany will have a signifi...
Jump to postI think a significant cause was the acceptance that Mach 2 plus speeds were no longer a primary design requirement for fighters. This freed up designers to optimise wing geometry (and engine inlet arrangements) for more meaningful areas of the flight regime. The incorporation of 'free' high lift dev...
Jump to postAgree with F-4 and F-16. The F-15 is a funny one though, it is still in production after its successor ceased and is gaining new customers almost 50 years after it entered service but is still only manufactured in the US whereas the others were manufactured abroad. The Mig 21 and 29 are worthy conte...
Jump to postThe A-4 is one possibly missing from that list. The Hawker Hunter also as pointed out above was still in service and an accomplished WVR dog fighter. Of the Eastern block types I think that the mig 21 proved itself the best in several theatres so the question comes down to what would you pick to tak...
Jump to postThe CH-47 has a fundamental efficiency advantage inherent in its layout. With all the expensive layout specific development costs sunk decades ago It's now sized and priced at a sweet spot in the payload/capability/range/cost to operate trade off matrix. What's hard to believe is that no-one else ha...
Jump to postI'd have to go digging to get the correct details but I think I recall reading a story about an exercise in the Indian Ocean or somewhere where a flight of F-14s got stuck aloft due to the onset of extreme sea state. Tankers had to be launched to get them to IIRC a civilian airport where to whole en...
Jump to posthttps://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1018201 Came across this from a long time ago. I remember reading that the turkey feathers played a significant part in form drag. Specifically it was how well it was managed with the F-14 in comparison to the F-111B. IIRC there was something in the wa...
Jump to postHere we go again... Pratt is back in the mix. IMO, if for some reason Pratt wins, they should be forced to find a solution to their F100 turkey feather "problem" on the F-15. There really is no excuse other than 40 years of laziness/sloppiness, both on the part of Pratt and the USAF. GE m...
Jump to postLove the photos coming in this thread, thanks guys! I'm going to give the mainstream opinion a shout here, as a kid I was a huge P-51 fan but as I've gotten older my appreciation for the Spitfire has grown. I still think the Mustang is probably the meanest, coolest of the war but the lines of the la...
Jump to postEvery little bit helps... If memory serves, some F-14 bubbas used it, too. I'd imagine their much wider cans would have an appreciably greater effect than the more centerline Eagles. Quick toss out, the SR-71 would light a burner (or two) on the boom because they were power-limited when heavy at AR...
Jump to postBut the B-1A would only have been able to sustain that M2.0 for around 20 minutes, at altitude, in any realistic mission. It was a dash capability that wound up being...useless. I think that pretty much goes for virtually all Mach 2 aircraft with the exception of Concord and SR-71 which were both f...
Jump to postNot sure about in testing but in Bill Gunstons book he quotes the following:
B1-A was Mach 2.22 at altitude and Mach 0.85 low
B1-B Mach 1.2 at altitude and Mach 0.8 low down
30-50 C-5s would be a colossal waste of money that would be better spent on (much cheaper) flatbed-trucks to get the tanks and other equipment to the frontline. For the price of one C-5M, you could probably buy enough trucks to carry 50 C-5s worth of cargo. Railway. Rail transport is the preferred ...
Jump to postEven though all shots fired in anger missed, it's still one of the coolest missile programs out there (something about that kind of range, especially back then, is pretty impressive). I think that is a somewhat misreprentation of the facts. To the best of my knowledge, and I am open to correction o...
Jump to postThe whole ETOPs WB LR twin model is based on the proven reliability of the engines. A lot of discussion on here about the 797 using next gen engines or even a GTF type. Is there any risk that the reliability issues currently being experienced by the latest engines could undermine the whole LR twin p...
Jump to postWhat are the downsides of putting the engines above the wing like the Honda bizjet?
Jump to postI imagine most of the reasons for the demise of the swing wing have been covered above but Haveblue touched on something which does not often get discussed and that is what has been lost with its passing; Real low level speed/penetration ability. The F-111, F-14, Tornado, Might 23, B-1 all possessed...
Jump to postI'm pretty certain that the A-10 was on time and under budget
Jump to postmmo wrote:In addition, most (I hesitate to say all) high performance fighter type aircraft don't have reverse thrust available. So, the drag chute is an additional help for breaking and reduces landing roll.
Existing tankers can operate in the battle theater without stealth and I'm sure they are expected to do so, especially if the contested airspace is deep or the target(s) is outside of attack aircraft range. They would need to be supported by EWCM aircraft, which would provide jamming of enemy radar...
Jump to postRecommended by Kewals in another thread : If you are after SR-71 book, Sled Driver has very good photos but I would not rate it top overall at all I'm afraid. For overall overview from insider point of view plus technical insights how to actually fly it, my top pick is Rich Graham SR-71 Revealed The...
Jump to postI 've been meaning to resurrect this thread for a while. With the big turnover in members over the last few years a lot of these books will be new to some and a refresh to some of the greyer members. I'll add two more recommended reads: 'Roger Ball' by Donald E. Auten ISBN 978-1-60528-005-9 It's a b...
Jump to postHi Haveblue, I'll try and resurrect that old thread we had going a few years back, lots of great reads in it. In the meantime have you read 'Roger Ball' by Donald E. Auten ISBN 978-1-60528-005-9 It's a biography about John Monroe "Hawk" Smith who was a TOPGUN instructor. Really good read f...
Jump to postHmmmm, where have I seen that before?
Oh yeah, the Avrocar, not a huge success IIRC
Nice graphics to be fair
The Warthog and the Close Air Support Debate by Douglas N Campbell, ISBN 1557502323 This book will tell you everything you need to know about the A-10 Also Ozair posted the below link which you might find really useful Quoting Ozair (Reply 31): An excellent review of CAS during the Vietnam war can b...
Jump to postThe Iranians were able to overcome this since they used the AIM-54 to great affect against the Iraqi Air force. That's true but I think it curtailed the number of working AIM-54's available to them compared to the number delivered. For what it's worth, this guy says the Iranians shot down ~120 Iraq...
Jump to postI was surprised it took you so long to respond to the thread ;) :D :D As I've gotten older I 've managed to curb my "Oh, I know the answer to that one" reflex somewhat . :lol: You would think all the original AAMs they received have long expired so not sure what weapons they see as viable...
Jump to postI've just thought it's been funny. Unusual to see threads of such age necro-ed. Fair enough, I think this one might be record but in my book navyohnavy is welcome to chime in on any thread he wants to add some insight. I'm just a fanboy, particularly well read on the F-14, but being from this side ...
Jump to post13 year thread revival! Can we get your take on the retirement of the F6F Hellcat as well? Seems to be a trend lately. What gives guys? This forum has a long history of complaints about people not using searches before opening new threads and now those that do have the ban the necropost brigade to ...
Jump to postEdit: oh yeah, also the curvature of the panel would mean that this fire would be on the outside of the aircraft ) Maybe ocean currents brought it round from the SCS It will also discredit the latest SCS shoot-down scenario presented by Spyhunter. There is nothing of substance there to discredit. W...
Jump to postkc135topboom wrote:
BTW, this is my 11,000th post.
There is a book called "Flying to the Limit, testing world war 2 single-engined fighter aircraft" written by Peter Caygill, ISBN 184415226X which goes into great detail on the relative strengths of European theatre fighters on both sides. Pretty much each type has advantages in different a...
Jump to postI often wondered about the advantage of such a weapon. Unless it is able to take out armour I'm not sure how much beyond psychological effects it would bring. A lot of the effectiveness of suppressive fire comes from shock waves and shrapnel from explosives and large calibre weapons. I would imagine...
Jump to postOzair,
Haven't figured how to quote but Good to see you still posting, thought you had pulled the ejection handle!
Things have gone very quite in Mil Av when a glide bomb from C-130 is the hottest topic in three weeks
Not enamoured with new site, but still need to keep coming back for a fix!!
Ahh the new site!Feels as big as an A380 (ie unnecessarily big;-).Still you know its home as there must always be an A380 bashing thread!Just like the new site itself-answering a question that was never asked!! Ah yes, the new white background is going to do a good job of increasing battery drain. ...
Jump to post<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/seahawk" class="quote" target="_blank">seahawk</a> (<a href="#172" class="quote">Reply 172</a>):<br/><i>But it was always part of the requiremen...
Jump to post<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/Florianopolis" class="quote" target="_blank">Florianopolis</a> (<a href="#7" class="quote">Reply 7</a>):<br/><i>IMHO, that era's tail-strike cha...
Jump to post<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/angad84" class="quote" target="_blank">angad84</a> (<a href="#8" class="quote">Reply 8</a>):<br/><i> I'm not sure if there's any data floating a...
Jump to postWhat has changed in aircraft design that modern designs (sadly!) seem not to obey area ruling. The X-2, while a pretty cool looking thing, won't win any beauty contests and seems to follow the trend of the F-35 (and F-22 to a lesser extent) in maintaining a fat fuselage at the wing root where you wo...
Jump to postIs there a fundamental risk in producing armed versions of civilian commuter aircraft?
I'm not as concerned with biz jets (primarily because I'm never in one!) but in future littoral conflicts how is the next Vincennes going to distinguish an island hopping dash 8 from its torpedo carrying clone?
<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/francoflier" class="quote" target="_blank">francoflier</a> (<a href="#2" class="quote">Reply 2</a>):<br/><i>How do F-16s and Rafales keep up wit...
Jump to post<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/HaveBlue" class="quote" target="_blank">HaveBlue</a> (<a href="#2" class="quote">Reply 2</a>):<br/><i> Here's the shot I got of it, I was a teen...
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