william wrote:So lets be clear, are you stating that Airbus has NEVER offered the A320 in a major sales campaign to a major player for $20 million?
ATR-72 is a great plane with huge potential. Lots of orders. Q400 has 31 orders left to fill and that's about it. Chances are Q400 will be scrapped to open the market for ATR-72. I can bet any money up to 10 euros that the clause is included in the BBD joint-venture contract.Jump to post
767333ER wrote:They are going to keep the CSeries going as they have stated that the CS300 will effectively replace the A319neo
I would not trust the American ITC to rule in their favor either. But they gave up half the program and got nothing more than marketing and supply chain advise. Are there not Chinese investors would have paid actual money for the program? Even a small amount is more than zero! LOL, yeah, Chinese in...Jump to post
That's not clear to me at least. One thing that makes A3xxx so profitable is its high build rate which leads to volume discounts from their downstream vendors. No. One thing that makes A320 so profitable is the fact that, unlike Boeing, Airbus doesn't need to dump the prices in order to win at leas...Jump to post
An airplane program that doesn't have a huge backlog will now have to fund a 2nd assembly line. Doesn't seem to be optimal to me. Au contraire! (I'm speaking Canadian to emphasize my point) A very underutilized line will now be loaded with something that they didn't have before - a new airplane whi...Jump to post
since that'scthe ONLYvway for them to get into the USA?? I think it's a good deal. As long as the USA get's a piece of the cake? I can't complain, As LONG as nobody is "dumping airlanes" in the USA. Because even Airbus can't do that!! Nor should they be allowed to.. But Boeing can, and do...Jump to post
People are "missing" it because what you said doesn't make any sense even if Airbus owned 100%. Airbus would absolutely compete against itself with the CS500. They will already with the CS100 and 300. The difference between the A320 and CS500 will be minute. Airlines would simply play the...Jump to post
If the product is a success in 7.5 years then Airbus can buy them out at market value, then BBD gets to start all over again with 31% of the market value as a nest egg. Airbus can benefit even beyond that. BBD is the direct competitor of Alstom and Siemens. Airbus can open Airbus Transportation, an...Jump to post
BirdBrain wrote:In other news, Boeing has announced 737-MINI, which will be a shrunk MAX to compete with the C-Series.
I remember Bombardier approached Airbus previously for a stake in the C-Series, but negotiations broke down & no deal went through. Now the second time around things went well, I am wondering what is the difference in approach between the first time & this one ! BBD no longer asks for any m...Jump to post
I also think the E2 Program is gonna be in big trouble with this news. Elaborate? E2 has been doing just fine and E-jets have been the leaders in that segment for... let's say, a long time, because I don't remember how long. What changes? If anything, Embraer have gone a MUCH harder way to success ...Jump to post
ytz wrote:Boeing's leadership are morons.
What a wake up call for Canada. A true "so-much-for-love" moment in terms of how much of a friend their southern neighbor really is - trying to destroy the entire industry and leaving thousands unemployed over a few million of orders. They are now enemies with Mexico. Their South American ...Jump to post
Airbus owns ATR so I think Q400 will be the first (and probably the only) victim of this joint-venture. Airbus doesn't own any of Bombardier. They only have a controlling interest in the CSeries program, specifically. BBD is in complete control of all its other programs: Q400, CRJ, Global, Challeng...Jump to post
leghorn wrote:Q400 needs a new engine(which will be available) and a row of seats fore and aft of the wings.
A 100 seater turboprop will keep a lot of Canadians in work for another decade.
So much for wanting a third competitor to the A/B duopoly. This thread hilariously exposes that the real point of rooting for Bombardier wasn't for the existence of another manufacturer. This is sad news for the CSeries and for manufacturer variety in general. It's a shame to see Bombardier effecti...Jump to post
By producing the Delta Aircraft in Mobile, AL and importing the parts from their respective manufacturing plant (i.e. Northern Ireland) into the US or not exporting them to Canada in the first place. Then starting a trade war against the european union might be less winable then against canada from...Jump to post
Take a look at this: Post No. 42: http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1376389#p19890085 Post No. 45: http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1376389#p19890095 AND the post No. 49 TO WHICH they are both replying: http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t...Jump to post
Yes you did; here's a thread detailing it: U.S. Dept of Commerce backs Boeing in dispute with Bombardier Short story is it is a preliminary decision to impose a tariff on the C Series in response to a claim of dumping (specifically related to the low price for which the aircraft were sold to Delta)...Jump to post
How will Delta not have to pay tariffs now? The 220% tariff is on the product, not the manufacturer. They plan to produce the CSeries in Mobile. I think I missed something here. Could someone please explain this "tariff" to me? US imposed a 220% tariff on imported airplanes!? When did tha...Jump to post
Don't forget about the 4,000 workers in Belfast, Northern Ireland too, I'm sure they'll just as relieved! What happens in Belfast? That they wanted to keep manufacturing CSeries' wings... https://www.irishtimes.com/business/manufacturing/airbus-deal-with-bombardier-may-protect-1-000-jobs-in-north-1...Jump to post
Bloomberg article https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-16/airbus-to-buy-majority-stake-in-bombardier-c-series-jet-program Airbus will own 50.01% Bombardier will own 31% Quebec will own 19% (I realize those percentages don't add completely up, I'm simply posting what the article says) Air...Jump to post
Breathe wrote:Don't forget about the 4,000 workers in Belfast, Northern Ireland too, I'm sure they'll just as relieved!
Did they really cede all control? I thought the bullet points called it a joint venture and project admin remains in Quebec...they’ll be helping to lower costs in the supply chain and provide top tier marketing plus an American assembly location and better legal guidance for selling into protection...Jump to post
I'm still reading the previous 18 pages so forgive me if someone said that already. All this news is great and puts Airbus in a leading position. BUT!!! Boeing has a nice card up its sleeve. If they bite their pride a little and admit they're falling a bit behind, they can partner up with the Russia...Jump to post
jbs2886 wrote:Same. I wonder if Boeing is on the phone with Embraer and Mitsubishi now.
Starlionblue wrote:The leading edges on tail, engine inlets and wings tend to be scoured rather well but rain, ice, dust and such. They're always made of material than can take the abuse. I think if you painted them they would look sandblasted in short order.
I agree Boeing won the bet. By copying an airplane that Airbus had for 25 and has already sold by hundreds? It's already been discussed here that 787 didn't really open too many new "long and thin routes". It plies the same routes as 767 did. Maybe saving a few cents on fuel. That is, unt...Jump to post
The 779 will offer the same if not better CASM of the A388.The 'plus' may beat it by a little by adding some (30?) more pax. REALLY? A380 needs to add MORE passengers? Boeing 779 can carry 853 people? I didn't know. But who on Earth would order the A388 plus unless they were sure they could get 550...Jump to post
It was tried in the 70s in the US with 747s and it did not work economically. We do see a small number of 777s getting used on Hawaii runs and some domestic too but that's because they're all paid for so very cheap to operate. Perhaps we'll see older A380s slide into that role in some localities? T...Jump to post
According to IATA 2015 forecast China O&D air travel market still lags that of the US, it is expected to match that of the US towards late 2020’s & should overtake it by 2034 to be the world’s biggest O&D air travel market. Hmmm, that's a VERY pessimistic forecast. China grew by 47% fro...Jump to post
It's not really "plastic". The major structural bits like the spars and skins are composite. There's still plenty of metal in the wings. For example the leading edges are metal. https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BzjHC76tUNU/UymlmN0qMhI/AAAAAAAANNM/rOOBGNHEW5I/s1600/A350%20Composite%20Locations.p...Jump to post
No. The A320 has aluminum main wing structure. The A350 is the first Airbus airliner with CFRP wing main structure. Only the military A400 was earlier. All reasonably modern airliners have various composites (glassfibre, carbon fibre, Kevlar) on the wings, (also on the wings), such as flaps, ailero...Jump to post
Actually I hail from a group of islands to the east and and a bit south (the ones which have had a bit of a fuel kerfuffle recently), but in fairness I did spend a number of years in the West Island. Please don't consider it a telling off, more a joking response to your joke. Seriously though, it's...Jump to post
Seriously guys, how is it possible that LHR is not served from MCO. Because they have real castles in Britain. And they're not made of plywood. When they retire the 747's, is it possible that one of the LGW frequencies is switched to LHR? The A/C will have to be switched, and that opens up the poss...Jump to post
The CEO of Airbus China claims that there's a market for 60-100 A380s in China over the next five years. Well, that's ambitious. It's not actually. When you need to transport the full population of the United States from A to B through congested airports twice a year, you DO need bigger planes. The...Jump to post
parapente wrote:Frankly if the Chinese ordered a dozen A380's the champagne would flow.It would take enormous pressure off the programme.It would buy Emirates some much needed time.And may encourage one or two others to make small additional orders.
in six months time it will be autumn, not fall :lol: To be honest I prefer a higher quality sense of humour rather than a cheap one thank you very much; that may explain why I hadn't realised you were trying to have a laugh as opposed to being serious with your questions about A380 and An-225 sizes...Jump to post
I'm sorry to interrupt, but what does it mean? Do they mean, the airport should only assign 75-80% of the available slots? No. It means they should limit the number of slots to 75% of the maximum capacity of the runway. i.e. leave some slack in order to be able to cope better with incidents and adv...Jump to post
VirginFlyer wrote:I would warmly encourage you to do a little research on these sorts of things before posting a bunch of guesses.
AF is going to start two new cities in 2018....SEA and TPE....with the B787-9 .@airfrance ouvre Taipei et Seattle au départ de Paris CDG à l’été 2018 OUVRE!?!?! They didn't fly there before!? Can't believe it. In AirTycoon2 I had the most profitable flights Paris to Seattle. :-D I never really paid...Jump to post
What ever Udvar-Hazy has in his mind. An A380 shrink it is not. GOOD LORD! 19 frames! Does anyone happen to know the MTOW for the -900 variant? Will it actually be physically larger than Antonov's 225? Right now I think it's smaller but heavier, isn't it? Which I don't understand since A380 is made...Jump to post
GAWD! Not "MOM" again! How many threads about it do we really need. The whole "MOM" concept is simply unrealistic. A320 covers the narrow-body short-to-medium-haul market. A330 and A350 more than cover medium-to-long range. A380 is the prestige white elephant showcasing the compa...Jump to post
Is there a way to calculate or an estimate of how many business class seats an airplane can have? I remember the Singapore's A340-500 had 100 business class seats for their East Coast US flights. I'm just really curious. How many would, say, A330 fit? Or B777? Or A380? Does anyone know?Jump to post
Because airlines have shareholders. You are going to have to explain this one a little more.[/quote] In the modern world, shareholders are more important than company's future or long-term success. You have to give people dividends today even if it means the company will go bust tomorrow. And share...Jump to post
I think A380Plus is Airbus's way of saying, we've had enough of A380 as an aircraft of prestige, now it's time for it to become just a workhorse. And, in my humble opinion, that's an important milestone. Right now a lot of airlines want it but think of it as a white elephant. Airbus needs to break t...Jump to post