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by compensateme
Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

DTW is getting a 3rd CDG flight next summer, the most accurate flight times will be added on Saturday when the schedule change is released It's in the press release. DL0096 03:50PM DTW CDG 06:00AM+1 NEW DL0098 06:05PM DTW CDG 08:05AM+1 333 AF0377 08:45PM DTW CDG 10:40AM+1 777 DL0099 10:20AM CDG DTW...

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by compensateme
Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

DL's SNA service has been leaving Detroit, ever since it started with no more than 15 seats open, for September travel out west, I'd say that is pretty good, but as for it making a profit, there's no way to figure that out, you can only hope it's making money, because the flight's are leaving full....

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by compensateme
Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why didn't DL keep main services from MEM?
Replies: 16
Views: 2797

Re: Why didn't DL keep main services from MEM?

In its final years as an NW hub, MEM drew fewer than 2M local enplaments whereas both DTW & MSP topped 9M. MEM was a relic of years past when it was the de facto capital of the Deep South. Southern/Republic/Northwest remained the dominate airline in the region for years - for example, NW began o...

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by compensateme
Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Airlines grow - often exponentially - in growing markets. Airlines stagnate in stagnant markets. Austin in a great example of the first statement; Detroit is a great example of the second. Really? CLT has the least amount of local traffic of any major hub, yet it's developing into the second-larges...

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by compensateme
Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Between 2010 and 2016, Atlanta Metropolitan Area grew 9.5% Between 2010 and 2016, Minneapolis Metropolitan Area grew 6.0% Between 2010 and 2016, Detroit Metropolitan Area grew 0.0% That is quite a contrast, too. http://www.startribune.com/twin-cities-population-growth-lags-other-major-u-s-cities/41...

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by compensateme
Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Based on what? Are people literally pulling things out of thin air at this point? There's no backup or support for anything anyone's saying in this thread. Jeremy There's plenty of backup and support for what I've written within this thread, so your comments aren't true. Nonetheless, the lion's sha...

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by compensateme
Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Spirit Temporarily Moves HQ Back to DTW
Replies: 15
Views: 4259

Re: Spirit Temporarily Moves HQ Back to DTW

I very strongly doubt the temporary relocation of Spirit's HQ to Detroit was "planned quickly" apart from minor details. When you're running a large public company, it is absolutely critical to have a business continuity plan in place to deal with potential threats from natural or man-mad...

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by compensateme
Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Spirit Temporarily Moves HQ Back to DTW
Replies: 15
Views: 4259

Re: Spirit Temporarily Moves HQ Back to DTW

I see th delusion in Michigan is alive and well. Spirit is based in Miramar, a far north Miami suburb that is quite affordable. :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: I remember when we had this conversation a couple years ago or so, and you insisted NK was just seeking tax breaks. Coming from the guy who insists...

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by compensateme
Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Spirit Temporarily Moves HQ Back to DTW
Replies: 15
Views: 4259

Re: Spirit Temporarily Moves HQ Back to DTW

One can complain about the so-called high cost of living in Florida, but compared to a lot of Metro areas, it's pennies. Also, Florida has no state income tax. The combination of no state income tax plus comparatively low cost of living and high quality of life is why so many people from the Northe...

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by compensateme
Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Spirit Temporarily Moves HQ Back to DTW
Replies: 15
Views: 4259

Re: Spirit Temporarily Moves HQ Back to DTW

Things change if the powers that be in Michigan get out there and offer a good tax package maybe they can win them back to Michigan where the headquarters originally was. From the suggestions you offered uo it would seem that they don't want to relocated to a cold weather location. NK moved out of ...

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by compensateme
Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

DL uploaded their Sunday after Thanksgiving upgauges this weekend. DTW gets a 330 to SFO and a pair of 764 to MCO but it doesn't look like any 744 flights are planned (anywhere).

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by compensateme
Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Spirit Temporarily Moves HQ Back to DTW
Replies: 15
Views: 4259

Re: Spirit Temporarily Moves HQ Back to DTW

They won't stay there since they don't own their temporary headquarters. They only rent the place. NK "only" rents their space in Florida as well - they don't lease it. The high costs of living in Southern Florida have prompted NK to private consider moving its HQ in the recent past, but ...

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by compensateme
Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Sorry I havent been on as of late, I had to go to South Florida for some work. Has anyone seen this? Its giving Spirit a good rep in Detroit. http://www.wxyz.com/news/region/wayne-county/spirit-airlines-brings-stranded-fliers-from-houston-to-metro-airport Great PR by NK but it doesn't appear many s...

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by compensateme
Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Since we are being nostalgic, I dug up a post I wrote on another board from about 10 years ago. Like how Drew & Mike would do Memories of the Pontiac Silverdome, I bring you "Memories of the Davey Terminal"....... ---- Great memories!! No narrative, but I'll add some more: : - buckets...

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by compensateme
Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta gates at airports for expansion
Replies: 96
Views: 13326

Re: Delta gates at airports it wants to expand at

DL has said they have requested additional gates at ORD. Not sure if that involves terminating the sublease or gaining others but DL has said they want to grow at ORD. ORD-LAX and ORD-BOS are likely high on their list and both markets will have to be fairly high frequency and thus need multiple gat...

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by compensateme
Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta gates at airports for expansion
Replies: 96
Views: 13326

Re: Delta gates at airports it wants to expand at

First post, I was hoping that aviation buffs and employees ,could provide us with actual gate counts and the near term possibility of Delta increasing their number. Basically interested in Ord Aus Sea Lax, how many open now and have they started to renovate any yet. Bos Sjc San BNA Plus any others ...

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by compensateme
Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Just to change the direction of the thread (again)...

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Initial 2001 North Terminal concept interpolated over Google Earth image of the L.C. Smith/Davey Terminal -- look at all those red tails!

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by compensateme
Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Guys, the poster you're responding to is still in middle school - just ignore him. September is low season into MCO (and the only time of the year Disney heavily discounts its hotel rate). Once upon of time you could get really, really cheap airfares but now ALL airlines, Including DL, reduce service.

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by compensateme
Sat Aug 26, 2017 4:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Flashback Friday!!!

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by compensateme
Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Also, after looking at the other DL widebody thread, I'm guessing that DTW-PVG goes A350 for Summer 2018. The routes goes 77L when the 744 is retired this fall and from an operational standpoint, it doesn't make sense for it to be the lone 777 route from DTW for the long-term. Based on the number o...

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by compensateme
Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

I can't believe how quiet this thread is with the big announcement yesterday of WOW Air adding Detroit guess ORD and YYZ weren't to close at all for DTW to be added and what this means to this market and what we can expect going forward should this flight become very successful. How will Delta reac...

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by compensateme
Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

I also suspect that between potential for overnight maintenance, DL was using IND as a bridge for 757 aircraft and pilots between DTW & ATL on most nights this summer there was a 757 RON from both DTW & ATL In September, the flight goes back to a 717 RON. That said, DL soaks the O&D on ...

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by compensateme
Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

AAR in IND does mods for the 757s, I see them parked outside the hangar pretty frequently. Also depending on the evening you are talking about there was a large convention in IND last week, so it was likely fleet repositioning for a RON or mods of some sort. The 757 has been scheduled for the entir...

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by compensateme
Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

I flew on that evening DTW-IND 757 flight as well and it was very empty as well. It goes out on the 10pm departure bank last ones of the evening. I suspect it was more or less for RON purposes and highly likely the morning launch flight out of IND goes out with much higher loads. Isn't there also a...

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by compensateme
Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

I flew DTW-IND recently and was shocked that the flight was operated with a 757. It was a throwback to the NW days, when 757 frequented the route during peak time periods. Sadly, the number of passengers on my flight wouldn't have filled a CRJ. Summer travel is winding down, so maybe that wasn't the...

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by compensateme
Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Sun Country to Change Strategy
Replies: 124
Views: 15287

Re: Sun Country to Change Strategy

The percentage of the flying public that has an option to fly SY is minuscule, even for those at MSP. They're simply not an option except for a select few routes. Their "value" is extremely limited and is dwarfed by the value the public sees in G4. I'd hardly consider 900K enplanements at...

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by compensateme
Thu Aug 17, 2017 5:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Sun Country to Change Strategy
Replies: 124
Views: 15287

Re: Sun Country to Change Strategy

Someone with good skills should create the route map of SY/WN. Eliminate DFW for DAL. Eliminate any airports SY flies to which WN does not (maybe move it to something close - i.e. JFK to LGA). It would look nice. Why on Earth would WN have any interest in acquiring a leisure & charter-orientate...

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by compensateme
Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

I'm surprised that none of the car rental or park-and-fly companies have relocated to the south entrance on Eureka Rd. There's plenty of vacant land and it's closer to the Delta terminal, which is much busier than the North Terminal. The current rental car facilities and offsite parking lots are lo...

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by compensateme
Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Drops 77W on MIA-LAX
Replies: 123
Views: 16123

Re: AA Drops 77W on MIA-LAX

I don't see how its been shattered. The 777 has been pulled from the route before and brought back again. No one thinks AA puts the 777 only because its MIA-LAX, but it made a lot of sense with routing of flights. A 777 has been on and off the route since 2003 at the least, that is when I remember ...

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by compensateme
Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA commits CRJ's to HVN
Replies: 43
Views: 8405

Re: AA commits CRJ's to HVN

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Used to be DC-9s, EAL in about 1971


And I bet the CRJ will carry more passengers, on average, than those DC-9 did in 1971.

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by compensateme
Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

With the lack of transit options and how prevalent rental car needs are it seems like something they should pursue however the logistics are challenging and expensive at best. It looks like there are projects out there to improve existing facilities but much of that burden falls on to the various v...

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by compensateme
Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

We'll see what happens with it, if it sticks, it'll be the first E7W route for DL to DTW, I see the aircraft flows through DFW from LAX, so it appears to take over a Compass segment, but like you said, we'll see. The 321 is a different story, I bet that they won't be on SAN and PHX, but TPA and FLL...

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by compensateme
Mon Aug 14, 2017 2:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Another bright note, DL schedules SAN and PHX 321 service next summer, so that'll be 5 321 rotations, regardless if they are removed they'll be placed on ATL, so you'll start seeing more 321s around DTW. DL also is doing the E7W from DFW next summer, so it'll be a change in scenery. Historically, a...

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by compensateme
Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Such a real joke why is Delta so afraid of adding capacity in the Detroit market. Once again by reducing frequency they make Detroit a less attractive market to make connections as there will be fewer flight options. I didn't say they cut capacity, just frequency; that's fairly natural when you cut...

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by compensateme
Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

I know this is way far out but next July DL plans 757 service to SNA. I'm pretty confident this is the first time in history that DL's initial summer schedule for the upcoming year was new rather than simply rolled over. Lots of frequency reductions, a derivative of a 50% reduction in YOY 50-seat m...

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by compensateme
Sat Aug 12, 2017 4:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL outlines A350 routes
Replies: 192
Views: 48837

Re: DL outlines A350 routes

while I agree with you that the "why is the A350 not going to fly LAX-SYD" threads are way too old..... where do you get your information that LAX-SYD is marginal for DL (you say we know it )? In fact, according to DOT data, AA and DL carry NEARLY IDENTICAL amounts of revenue on LAX-SYD e...

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by compensateme
Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL outlines A350 routes
Replies: 192
Views: 48837

Re: DL outlines A350 routes

Why is it that every single thread about DL's 350 suddenly turn into a discussion about LAX-SYD? From reading a.net, you'd think it was DL's most prosperous route, when in reality we know it's a marginal performer for DL at best (search for the threads when the DOT reject AA-QF if you need a refresh...

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by compensateme
Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Pulling some quick numbers: This summer, the North Terminal had 128 peak-day departures, of which 78 were on mainline jets. Early fall, that number climbs to 129, with 78 on mainline jets. This equates to about 4.75 departures per gate, which demonstrates how poorly utilized -- as a whole -- the Nor...

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by compensateme
Fri Aug 11, 2017 6:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

I am thinking perhaps the poster-who-should-not-be-named drags down the economy of wherever he/she/it is living... that may be the problem in Detroit now... ;) I'm thinking that you must really enjoy trolling/interacting with him, as you're really the only one doing so, and it's distracting from th...

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by compensateme
Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

UA needs to be on that end because they do some of the handling for LH. UA also operated the 757 to DTW and was the only North Terminal airline to do so. They also currently have several daily flights on 739's, so they do need big spaces too (remember that a split-scimitared 739 takes up almost as ...

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by compensateme
Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Its somewhat of a compromise I suppose since UA & AA operate a lot of regional jets into DTW as well. I do find it hilarious that people will cram in the gate area for their respective flight, yet an adjacent gate across or down the hall will be vacant. You can easily go sit there or find a qui...

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by compensateme
Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

What is being placed below the center station across the fountain at the A Concourse, I walked past it yesterday, is it some kind of new interactive display? Also, DL wants to destroy the end of the C Concourse, don' you think that'd be a better place for NK? If you think about it, they have enough...

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by compensateme
Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

DTW-HKG on DL (77L). I feel strongly about this returning because a friend of mine recently sent me an article about a company called Foxconn that's looking into making a sizable operation in Romulus. I think this could add a nice business link that could potentially open DTW-HKG back up. Foxconn i...

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by compensateme
Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: DL to add BDL-BNA
Replies: 28
Views: 3227

Re: Rumor: DL to add BDL-BNA

I don't have a press release but it was definately a 767-300ER and it continued onto Paris, possibly with a plane change. It may have only lasted one summer but this is when Delta flew 767's into BDL multiple times per day. I don't recall Delta service to JFK other than the 767. TWA flew props BDL-...

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by compensateme
Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 8/6/2017: UA Brings Back ORD-PNS; AA Exits MSP-LAX, Expands SLC-PHL
Replies: 58
Views: 10655

Re: OAG Changes 8/6/2017: UA Brings Back ORD-PNS; AA Exits MSP-LAX, Expands SLC-PHL

The ultra low fare environment was in LAX-MSP before AA chose to show up. They simply decided to jump into a market in which DL doesn't chase every last ULCC passenger but the economics do work of adding larger and larger aircraft and selling a certain amount of seats at economy basic/ULCC competit...

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by compensateme
Mon Aug 07, 2017 6:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Drops 77W on MIA-LAX
Replies: 123
Views: 16123

Re: AA Drops 77W on MIA-LAX

It is a premium route, and that's a fact. AA caters it appropriately (sundaes aren't the difference, by the way, you get those on a flight from Charlotte to Phoenix, too) and has international lounge access rules. End of story. That's how AA treats it and continues to treat it. There's barely any c...

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by compensateme
Mon Aug 07, 2017 6:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 8/6/2017: UA Brings Back ORD-PNS; AA Exits MSP-LAX, Expands SLC-PHL
Replies: 58
Views: 10655

Re: OAG Changes 8/6/2017: UA Brings Back ORD-PNS; AA Exits MSP-LAX, Expands SLC-PHL

AA's LAX expansion from last summer isn't going so well. SEA, MCI, and OMA are pared back, and MSP is now completely gone. Disappointing to see AA leave the LAX-MSP route. Would have thought they would stick it out or at least switch to E75s before cutting it completely. Leaves a good-sized hole in...

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by compensateme
Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MEM gives updated B Concourse update with layouts
Replies: 28
Views: 3706

Re: MEM gives updated B Concourse update with layouts

There's really nothing about the plan which is substantially worse than building an entirely new terminal or concourses, apart from the walk from the terminal to Gate 23 being a bit long. Leaving the unremodeled southwest arm in place allows them to keep the existing international arrivals facility...

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by compensateme
Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5
Replies: 1280
Views: 89960

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

DL's intentions are for MUC to go year round eventually, this year seems to be performing better than last year, and they're bringing the flight back next year which is a good indication that they're gaining in the market, fares from ORD/YYZ-MUC average lower than DTW so that'll always present a pr...

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by compensateme
Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta in North Carolina (CLT & RDU)
Replies: 15
Views: 1941

Re: Delta in North Carolina (CLT & RDU)

If you're traveling next spring and want to be certain to travel on a 717, MD-88 and MD-90, it's best to purchase your ticket within 30 days as DL's fairly aggressive in making schedule changes.

FWIW, while 717 and MD-88 are common on DTW/MSP/ATL - CLT/RDU, MD-90s are fairly rare.

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