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by compensateme
Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017
Replies: 1744
Views: 126860

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017

More Detroit cuts this week by your hub airline Delta while it continues to pile on in Atlanta. DL DTW-FLL APR 6>5 MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 No change in capacity -- last summer, the route operated as 5xM90, next summer it's planned as 4x757. Less frequency, but the same number of seats. The 757 make...

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by compensateme
Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight
Replies: 104
Views: 12758

Re: DL 158, Last DL 747 flight

The PVG flight was interesting; DL was seeking volunteers for the flight saying while it wasn’t oversold, it was “heavy.” They started at $1500 but increased it to $2500. I wasn’t on this flight — I had just arrived into DTW and went out of my way to seek out what will be my last 747 departure sight...

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by compensateme
Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017
Replies: 1744
Views: 126860

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017

Former Detroit Metro Airports CEO Jerry Nardone has been selected as the new CEO for Columbus (CMH). Does anyone have any thoughts on the job Nardone did while in Detroit? Why would someone leave one of the largest airports in the country to take over an airport considerable smaller? More $$$ and t...

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by compensateme
Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL DAL-DTW?
Replies: 6
Views: 1770

Re: DL DAL-DTW?

Back when DL was initially making their case for access to gates at DAL in 2013 they announced plans to add service to DTW, MSP, LAX, and additional ATL flights. http://news.delta.com/delta-plans-expansion-dallas-love-field Never happened with the ongoing DAL Love Field disputes. I doubt DL would b...

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by compensateme
Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017
Replies: 1744
Views: 126860

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017

I'd be curious to know what it is for Japan as there's a noticeable Japanese expat community in the Novi area. It's not unusual for me to go to 12 oaks mall and hear several conversations being spoken in Japanese. Wayne State estimated the Japanese-born population living in Metro Detroit to be arou...

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by compensateme
Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017
Replies: 1744
Views: 126860

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017

Polish immigration to Metro Detroit has not been that significant in the past 30 years. The peak wave of immigrants arrived in Metro Detroit from Post WWII through the 1970s. In the past 30 years most Polish immigrants have gone to New York or Chicago. Most of the first generation immigrants are de...

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by compensateme
Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017
Replies: 1744
Views: 126860

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017

But any flight to India that's not on the ME3 is over priced that's why Delta want's the ME3 out of the way they want to sell their $2500 RT tickets to India. DL is hardly overpriced; its lowest published fare, which includes travel year-round (and has excellent availability), is roughly $1500 to D...

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by compensateme
Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017
Replies: 1744
Views: 126860

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017

<sigh> As I've written many times, if a flight's timed and priced right, people won't carry whether they backtrack. ATL, for example, is DL's largest connection point from points northeast to posts west, even though people are traveling a few hundred miles out of their way. You really think that's g...

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by compensateme
Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:11 am
Forum: Site Related
Topic: Moderators support DTW, censor any opposing view
Replies: 20
Views: 4624

Re: Moderators support DTW, censor any opposing view

Here's an example of an a.net crew member baiting the poster in question (nothing was said about DTW until his posting): http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1380497 Really they should have stopped in DTW. How could DL ignore their best station, DTW would have been the wiser divers...

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by compensateme
Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017
Replies: 1744
Views: 126860

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017

Has anyone seen the article about YNG wanting to do DTW on Southern Airways? This would be neat, maybe airlines like Contour or Boutique would follow and recognize EAS routes, I’m pretty sure MKG or FDY doable. Waste of taxpayer money; the Youngstown area is less than an hour's drive from CLE and P...

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by compensateme
Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017
Replies: 1744
Views: 126860

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017

]DTW-SJC is very likely since it’s now the largest underserved market and premium heavy. I don’t see why they’d do a Saturday ANC. I also don’t see them bringing BGR back. YVR was 2x 320 on Sat, it never left or got in light. Perhaps we can expect an SMF return too, DL does a good job with SFO so t...

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by compensateme
Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:52 am
Forum: Site Related
Topic: Moderators support DTW, censor any opposing view
Replies: 20
Views: 4624

Re: Moderators support DTW, censor any opposing view

Can we ban klm617, this guy just doesn't get it and continues to pollute these forums with his non-nonsensical rants. The problem isn't klm617 -- nobody takes him seriously, and rarely does anybody attempt to engage in meaningful banter with him; eventually, he'd go away. Instead, the problem is th...

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by compensateme
Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017
Replies: 1744
Views: 126860

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017

You do realize that ATL and SEA to ICN are MUCH larger local markets than DTW right??? Hell, ATL-ICN is larger than SEA-ICN. ATL-ICN could almost fill a 777 with O&D alone. Logic and the DTW fan club can not be used in the same sentence. This thread is all about why DTW is the greatest airport ...

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by compensateme
Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017
Replies: 1744
Views: 126860

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017

A few years back my wife and I just flew nonstop to SEA and drove down into Oregon instead of flying to PDX since the schedule and fares were so bad from DTW. The lone nonstop was the evening departure/red-eye return and going for over $700 r/t versus 5 daily nonstop flights for about $450 to SEA. ...

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by compensateme
Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1283
Views: 143707

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Do you mean shrink in CLE or overall? I think UA got in Wall Street's dog house for shrinking too much (post-merger going from First to Worst? Bethune must be laughing his a** off) and of course they must react to Wall Street. So they reacted by buying a bunch of planes - including their current se...

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by compensateme
Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017
Replies: 1744
Views: 126860

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017

DTW-PDX isn't exactly a business-heavy route, at least from an DTW O&D perspective. There aren't a ton of natural business ties between the two cities. However the day-time flight connects well in both directions with large connecting banks with many of the Northeast/Midwest/Mid-Atlantic market...

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by compensateme
Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017
Replies: 1744
Views: 126860

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017

The usual suspects are asleep, NK has landed DTW a SAN and PDX nonstop for next summer! The last 2 years have included major west coast expansion which only will solidify NK's DTW hub, peak departures next summer is currently 33 daily departures which is a record high, also it will increase NK's ov...

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by compensateme
Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017
Replies: 1744
Views: 126860

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017

[While that maybe true until the JV between KE/DL Delta had no desire to serve ICN-ATL. That says a lot right there that Delta was serving DTW over ATL to ICN meaning in Delta's eyes DTW even though it my have been a smaller market it brought om yields n but yet when the JV went through right away ...

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by compensateme
Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1283
Views: 143707

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Agree with massey, that with such large fixed costs, it will cost them nearly nothing to make more money in CLE. Except there is a cost. Opportunity cost is a very real cost considered in capital budgeting. The aforementioned routes would tie up an aircraft for roughly 12 hours per day; UA would ha...

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by compensateme
Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL downgrading seats on JFK-KEF/PDL/SNN
Replies: 30
Views: 10097

Re: DL downgrading seats on JFK-KEF/PDL/SNN

None of those markets really need a truly premium cabin product or experience. These are mainly holiday destinations and not heavy on business travel so kind of makes sense to reassign the DeltaOne equipped 757's to markets where there is real demand and they can charge a premium. JFK-SNN on EI has...

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by compensateme
Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1283
Views: 143707

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Thank you compensateme, very informative. Hindsight being 20/20 it sure seems like money spent on the runway would have been better spent on a better pax facilities? I remember when that runway project was attached to people dreaming about flights to Asia. . . boy does that seem comical now. CLE ac...

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by compensateme
Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1283
Views: 143707

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

Right, that is where the provincialism of this town is infuriating, too many people grew up here and have lived no where else to see what is out there in the US and abroad. The old art museum was perfectly adequate in fact it was pretty damn fantastic, but the new one is absolutely magnificent. Did...

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by compensateme
Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - Part 14
Replies: 1283
Views: 143707

Re: What's Going In CLE - Part 14

http://www.cleveland.com/travel/index.ssf/2017/11/build_a_new_cleveland_hopkins.html#incart_river_home_pop Really nice discussion over on cleveland.com debating merits for new airport. To me it's a no brainer needed. Whether the money exists, who the heck knows. But how can Kansas City and Pittsbur...

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by compensateme
Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta partners with Auburn
Replies: 8
Views: 3528

Re: Delta partners with Auburn

https://www.wmich.edu/wmu/news/2000/0002/9900-172.html

I'm not part of this loop, but I do ponder if DL continued the relationship.
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NW partnered with Western Michigan's aviation program for decades, even donating a classic 747 in 2000:

https://www.wmich.edu/wmu/news/2000/0002/9900-172.html

I'm not part of this loop, but I do ponder if DL continued the relationship.

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by compensateme
Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIT remodeling airport
Replies: 84
Views: 8799

Re: PIT remodeling airport

In 1992 the New York Times published "Pittsburgh Builds Airport of Future Now" In 2017 the Allegheny County Airport Authority responded, "Just Kidding" One of two things is going on here, neither is good. 1. Allegheny County Airport Authority is so corrupt it is going to saddle ...

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by compensateme
Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta MD88/90 Retirements
Replies: 49
Views: 14272

Re: Delta MD88/90 Retirements

I'm baffled that a.net's stunned DL's retiring the MD-88 and MD-90. A few years ago, did DL intend on flying these aircraft long-term? Yes. But then they subsequently ordered 200+ CS100, B739 and A321 -- and most of these planes will be on property within the next 3-4 years. They're done retiring ot...

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by compensateme
Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017
Replies: 1744
Views: 126860

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017

I will say, I highly doubt that DTW-PHL will be 5x A320 next summer, I almost guarantee there will be a mix of MD88/MD90s in there as well as 717s. A lot depends on how they route aircraft and/or bridge aircraft and crews around the system. In summer 2017, PHL had like 4+ MD88/90 RON aircraft from ...

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by compensateme
Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017
Replies: 1744
Views: 126860

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017

I'm requesting that those who choose to do nothing but troll trolls in this tread to stay away -- doing something more productive with your time!!! To support PSU's posting, before the schedule change, PHL was scheduled as a CR9, 2x717, 2xM88 & 2xM90 next summer; it's now scheduled as 5x320. Wh...

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by compensateme
Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why is Delta primarily switching to Airbus widebodies?
Replies: 84
Views: 20905

Re: Why is Delta primarily switching to Airbus widebodies?

NW went bankrupt. DL could honor the contract or not. The terms obviously didn't meet DL's needs. NW shouldn't have gone bankrupt... Almost undoubtedly, NW ordered the 787 knowing it would likely file for bankruptcy, but saw the aircraft as the future of its Pacific network. It affirmed the order a...

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by compensateme
Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why is Delta primarily switching to Airbus widebodies?
Replies: 84
Views: 20905

Re: Why is Delta primarily switching to Airbus widebodies?

AWACSooner wrote:
And because DL decided not to honor the 787 contract that NW had.


You don't know that. It's probable that Boeing offered NW the right to cancel or convert the 787 order should it not meet outlined then expectations (it didn't).

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by compensateme
Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017
Replies: 1744
Views: 126860

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

They declared bankruptcy on September 15th, 2005. Unless that was a fraudulent filing, that would be plenty of evidence. Nope, they emerged in 2007. You were explicit that they were GOING into (another) bankruptcy. Try again. (And you might be too young to remember, but DL declared bankruptcy the s...

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by compensateme
Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Any Southwest red-eye flights?
Replies: 33
Views: 5071

Re: Any Southwest red-eye flights?

Overnight flights are almost always the lowest yielding/lowest priced flights -- it's about the only way you can attract sufficient passengers (with few exceptions, like NYC-LAX). They exist because they utilize resources that would otherwise be idle and airlines see it as an opportunity to earn rev...

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by compensateme
Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017
Replies: 1744
Views: 126860

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

I meant DTW is getting a another flight to LAX... It operated this past summer, but is being expanded to the late winter/spring schedule. An increase in frequency but not service, as the 757/753 are being pulled from the route. ...and NW was going bankrupt. You just don't get it, do you? Source? Or...

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by compensateme
Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017
Replies: 1744
Views: 126860

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Oh I believe you. It is amazing the schedule routings you get when booking DL flights. It's almost to the point where they will route pax flying SEA-LAX via ATL. But all kidding aside those 2 RJ flights to MSP run almost full, so I don't think DL would kill it just because it wants to route pax via...

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by compensateme
Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017
Replies: 1744
Views: 126860

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

As far as FNT goes where WN was not successful was understanding that the FNT market was basically to Florida something Airtran understood. Had WN kept the FNT-ATL flights giving FNT passengers more options to Florida they might have had a better success rate as Aitran did but when you have a choic...

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by compensateme
Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017
Replies: 1744
Views: 126860

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

With WN closing FNT, DTW gained nothing and lost a BWI frequency. It's not surprising. As discussed many times, DTW has never been a strong market for WN; our business market has largely shunned it and NK has scooped up much of the leisure market. On the plus side, WN's will be operating a 737 MAX ...

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by compensateme
Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will DL base any A350's at SEA?
Replies: 32
Views: 4263

Re: Will DL base any A350's at SEA?

Not the A359 and 777-specific Delta One seats with partitions, or will they? Hasn't been unveiled yet, but whatever product is in them will be comparable to the 359 - not a doubt about it. I think when DL shrunk/pushed out the A350 delivery plan the planes that evaporated from delivery were SEA pla...

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by compensateme
Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will DL base any A350's at SEA?
Replies: 32
Views: 4263

Re: Will DL base any A350's at SEA?

I believe the A339 is being directed to SEA for TransPac flights beginning in 2019/20. 339 is a 767 replacement. I don't think DL has specifically mentioned from where it will fly. I think its safe to say it will pretty much fly from both coasts. DL has been very explicit that the 339 will operate ...

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by compensateme
Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Doug Parker on United's Lack of a Southeast Hub
Replies: 196
Views: 20062

Re: Doug Parker on United's Lack of a Southeast Hub

<sigh> CPE is a very broad, vague number. It's calculated by total costs / total passengers. But don't be deceived -- it's not a check cut per passenger; an airport like JFK will have different costs per terminal, and each airline will have its own cost pool, despite the presentation of a singular n...

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by compensateme
Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017
Replies: 1744
Views: 126860

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

[In 2018 you should start to see demolition of the Smith & Berry terminals which will lead eventually to the 4 additional gates on the North Terminal. This is for 3 narrowbody gates on the north end, and 1 additional widebody/FIS capable gates on the South end. Plus will lead to a whole bunch m...

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by compensateme
Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17
Replies: 333
Views: 29938

Re: Southwest Schedule Extension 11/02/17

I wouldn't hold my breath on CVG expansion either. WN has been here at MSP since 2009. They do well but have had very slow, methodical expansion. I think they could seriously add cities here, depending upon what SY does under their new ULCC model (i.e. will they need all the gates they have?). WN h...

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by compensateme
Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL outlines A350 routes
Replies: 209
Views: 56397

Re: DL outlines A350 routes

If the DTW-AMS flight that is moving to the A350 is the early flight (departs DTW at 1609 and arrives back at 1155), then only 9 frames are needed. Rotation could be DTW-NRT-DTW-PVG-DTW-AMS-DTW-ICN-ATL-ICN-DTW-PEK-DTW. That rotation allows 2+ hours for all turns except for DTW-NRT-DTW with 1 h 50 m...

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by compensateme
Sun Oct 01, 2017 8:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 10/1/2017: UA Drops MSP-LAX
Replies: 74
Views: 11181

Re: OAG Changes 10/1/2017: UA Drops MSP-LAX

Can't understand how neither AA not UA could sustain service on MSP-LAX, especially with some of their smallest equipment. Jeremy They didn't have a problem filling planes -- they just couldn't attract enough premium traffic. Alas, it's hard to make money flying 76-seaters when your fare average is...

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by compensateme
Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is Delta Officially Calling RDU a Hub?
Replies: 13
Views: 1897

Re: Is Delta Officially Calling RDU a Hub?

"Hub," "focus city," etc. are just marketing terms. A hub, by definition, is just a place where people make connections. Delta sells connections through IND, DFW, etc. Does that make these places hubs? Reality is, there's very little connecting traffic flowing through BOS or RDU....

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by compensateme
Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA in CLE: What's next?
Replies: 123
Views: 9671

Re: UA in CLE: What's next?

Anyone have an adult answer on how connecting traffic affects PDEW? My apologies, I thought you were being sarcastic. Airlines report the details of your tariff to the DOT -- that is, what you paid for your flight, the number of coupons in your ticket, the routing you traveled, etc. The DOT uses th...

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by compensateme
Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA in CLE: What's next?
Replies: 123
Views: 9671

Re: UA in CLE: What's next?

Not really caring whose got the bigger manhood but if a CLE-EWR-LHR routing only counts in the EWR-LHR passenger count how is either city properly measured? Much less the drive to other airport folks. Or am I mistaken on what I've read on this forum? If all the traffic on CLE-EWR-LHR comes from CLE...

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by compensateme
Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017
Replies: 1744
Views: 126860

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Please try not to rewrite history. Before deregulation, Northwest was satisfied to be the dominant carrier between the USA and Asia, and had a relatively small domestic network, almost totally concentrated in the northern half of the USA. When deregulation came along, United went headlong into Asia...

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by compensateme
Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Detroit Air Service Discussion 2017
Replies: 1744
Views: 126860

Re: Detroit Air Service Discussion Part 5

Try to understand this: DTW and MSP are hubs because Northwest was desperate to find somewhere - anywhere - they could build a fortress hub. All the more desirable options - New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Miami - were taken by stronger, quicker-to-get-there competitors. NW was left with Minneapoli...

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by compensateme
Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA in CLE: What's next?
Replies: 123
Views: 9671

Re: UA in CLE: What's next?

On another topic some earlier comments on this forum driving me nuts. I'm an accountant by training, I can assure you there is no GAAP for an income statement for a hub airport, there is so much judgment that goes in to such a formulation-- anyone of us on this forum could rattle 10 ways in which j...

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by compensateme
Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA in CLE: What's next?
Replies: 123
Views: 9671

Re: UA in CLE: What's next?

Just curious why CO announced a major expansion to CLE that started to happen in 2008 (soon killed and gutted below prior ops with the great recession) when the place was loosing money since 2004 or 10.years prior to the final hub closure. Were they really planning to allocate some resources to the...

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