The amount of growth in the phx-slc/pvu market has been pretty astounding. Phx-SLC on DL has grown pretty immensely over the last 6-8 years. AA had been hit or miss with the frequency, now it seems they are consistently 4-6x. WN have been established for a while. PVU has basically grown from nothing...
Jump to postThese points are all pretty fair. I believe the stats on performance metrics are starting to turn a bit as AA has seen drastic improvement in the past 2 years, but most of these assertions are valid - if I lived in Atlanta (or Minneapolis, Detroit, Salt Lake City, etc.), I'd be flying Delta. In my ...
Jump to postInteresting weather night last night for March. Several diversions to TUS, and at least 4 into AZA. Looked like they flipped the field at least twice and had departures way backed up 20-30 and pretty full taxiways.
Jump to postI'd imagine they'll depart from T3 and tow-off from T4 back to T3 for their departure afterwards. I fully expect them to have a lot of growing pains on this route - in part because of it being pretty well served already (which SJD just is in general - not just from PHX) but also their lack of exper...
Jump to postRe-read my post, It’s primarily a problem with the newer post merger F/A’s The US F/A’s are not the problem. In fact I find a lot of the US F/A’s to be excellent, remember that US was a very senior workforce thus many of those F/A’s were hired during a bygone era of air travel and came to US by mer...
Jump to postI'm not sure I am buying the increased training anyway. In my experience, former US crews are far more consistent about things like hanging costs and offering pre departure beverages in F. The former AA crews seem much more militant and do the contractually required minimum, especially if they are ...
Jump to postUS brought to AA a core narrowbody fleet of Airbus 319/320s and 321s that were newer than AA's gas guzzling, out-dated MD80s and aging 757s. That fleet helped to ultimately build American an even better domestic network. Hmm grumble grumble. US took about 275 319/320/321s to the combined company*. ...
Jump to postI don't disagree with your points about AA's network and this is the network thread, after all. But once again we have someone saying "economy is the same in all carriers if you just ignore this one huge thing that is in front of everyone's face at every seat". I don't know anyone who act...
Jump to postIgnore PTVs for a minute. For some it is a difference maker, for others it isn't, for others they try to avoid PTVs. Beyond that, AA and UA offer a near identical hard product on board. Beyond a PTV, what is UA offering on all their flights that is superior to AA? DL offers a slight step up in soft...
Jump to postLots of fiery hot takes in this thread... The reality is that domestically all of the US3 carriers are almost identical.
Jump to postAnyone know how JSX is doing out of SCF? Anecdotally a few people I know that used them went back to WN/AA since the drive to SCF from east valley negates them being more convenient for the most part.
Jump to postI think on of JFK or PHL-OSL. Which is somewhat surprising given that I would think HEL would be higher priority with Finnish in OW.
Jump to postAny thoughts on how a second Taiwanese semiconductor major entering the PHX area influences potential Asia routes? Taiwanese major UMC announces JV with Intel to run older fabs in Arizona. https://www.intc.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/1671/intel-and-umc-announce-new-foundry-collaboration M...
Jump to postAny thoughts on how a second Taiwanese semiconductor major entering the PHX area influences potential Asia routes? Taiwanese major UMC announces JV with Intel to run older fabs in Arizona. https://www.intc.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/1671/intel-and-umc-announce-new-foundry-collaboration M...
Jump to post^^ Sorry guys, I didn't mean to start up something by mentioning Rome, I was kidding; I know that's like zero chance for all the reasons you've all pointed out now! LOL It's a great data point. I wouldn't have expected FCO to be higher than CDG. For me it cements how underserved PHX is/was to Europ...
Jump to postI am very positive they can add Rome in the coming year. Nothing with such demand goes unserved. FCO would be very unlikely, you only have ITA Airways as an option and they are very Sky Team hub centric airline and not many US cities have FCO service. AA isnt likely to add PHX-FCO either. Most woul...
Jump to postSo will there be club access for premium pax? and if so where? There two lounges there and they're both pretty decent - an Escape lounge and a Centurion Lounge. I don't profess to be a DL/AF expert and if this info is out of date, don't @ me, but apparently upper tier Delta AMEX card holders can ge...
Jump to postSo will there be club access for premium pax? and if so where? The only possible options would be the Escape lounge or the other one right next to it (Forgot name) at high B I suppose being towed over to T3 for departure is an option, albeit uncommon in the US. It would make the most sense so that ...
Jump to postAwesome news! Hopefully its very successful. Outbound time is a bit brutal for sleeping, but I'll take that all day over not having a nonstop option.
Jump to postSo you’re suggesting AA moves to T5 when they have the largest operations at the entire airport in half a terminal where the international concourse is also located? I mean, the suggestion that WN would want to move to T5 so as to prevent competitors from getting new club spaces is even more ludicr...
Jump to postThe only way I see DL going for the 787 is in a 2-4-2 configuration. Why would DL go 2-4-2 on a 787? That would kill the CASM as well as make no economic sense. Well the 787 in 3-3-3 would make for a narrower economy cabin than the rest of the DL wide body fleet (18 inches). They did keep the 777 i...
Jump to postWN already has 32 gates in T4 and access to the common-use/FIS gates in T4N4, so 35 gates in a new terminal really is no gain. The cost of a new terminal will be several billion dollars given that S1 was $310 million just for 8 gates. So apart from higher costs and no access to the FIS gates, what ...
Jump to postFingers crossed for those long haul routes with high demand (Asia, Amsterdam, France, Germany) I don't want to get too far into the weeds on this, because people always get upset when I bring a dose of reality to this thread. For some context, this Phoenix Aviation Thread traces its roots back on t...
Jump to postAs a counter-point, NYC did a masterful job with the LGA reconstruction with operations continuing without major interruption. Don't know the exact timeframe, but it was maybe 5 years...certainly not 10. And that's in NYC, with all of the challenges, overruns and delays that happen. I think the pro...
Jump to postBA744PHX wrote:Random find, it looks like AA PHX-LHR from March 30 - April 3 will depart PHX at 10:05PM, arriving in LHR at 04:05PM. Does anyone know why this temporary change and very late departure?
There are some wild takes in this thread. DL investing in a 20-30+ year commitment in an industry that has significant swings every 5-10 years is something... Demographics take a very very long time to change, in significant ways that would alter core O&D. City growth =/= O&D growth, premium...
Jump to postCleveland Plain Dealer - "Climbing costs, airlines balking at $2.9 billion Cleveland airport redo suggest new approach is needed: editorial" https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2023/12/climbing-costs-airlines-balking-at-29-billion-cleveland-airport-redo-suggest-new-approach-is-needed-editor...
Jump to postWith the FF screw up and the competition (AA and UA) adding Premium seating it would help Delta maintain a competitive position. Delta has the money and look how quickly they rolled out upgraded IFC to the narrow body fleet. I would like to see Delta stop the self inflicted wounds and concentrate o...
Jump to postDL top leaders today said point blank in employee Q&A that the slot will go to AA or UA. So sounds like they either have no expectation or no intent on moving it elsewhere. That's likely indicative of HND not performing well overall, not wanting to take a risk on JFK/BOS/SLC, or 2x on one of th...
Jump to postIt wouldn’t be the first time though. Data doesn’t tell you everything, especially how customers are going to respond. They clearly thought removing access on arrival would go over well and ended up backtracking after pushback. They’re making an assumption higher spenders will spend more as a resul...
Jump to postLooks like pdx-hnd on DL is going away. Maybe we get lucky and AA applies for PHX-HND.
Jump to postWhen I saw this: WN adding CLE-LAS/RSW/SRQ beginning March 9th Saturdays only I thought, is WN old-fashioned and behind the times? In the old days, people did Saturday-to-Saturday trips to places like Florida. I get Sat-only for trips like CLE-Europe, but Florida can be any number of days on day of...
Jump to postThis is beyond basic human decency...
Jump to postA relatively (!) cheap feature of airports to add in consistently hot climates could be a sail-shade type awning that extends over the ramp area a bit. This would allow fumes to still escape and allow for a breeze etc but would significantly reduce the solar load on the airplanes in the gate area. ...
Jump to postI've heard a lot more chatter on the construction side of taxiway U (or whatever the new one on the west end is). Seems like the talk of T3N2 bids, construction and whatnot has been pretty quiet.
Jump to postIt appears AA may be planning more growth (including intercontinental) per JohnNYC (who seems to be pretty accurate with AA rumors): https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1675996775520378880 Now we’ll have 75 posts talking about service to Japan and Taiwan! LOL, yeah, well said! :roll: Now there's tal...
Jump to postIt appears AA may be planning more growth (including intercontinental) per JohnNYC (who seems to be pretty accurate with AA rumors): https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1675996775520378880 Now we’ll have 75 posts talking about service to Japan and Taiwan! I think it's still far more likely to be add...
Jump to postI'd love for AA to go 1-2x ORD, and 3-4x DFW out of AZA. I think that would be really smart to capture east valley traffic that might spill to UA or DL out of PHX anyways. DL bringing just SLC would be pretty disappointing. SLC area is already heavily served and SLC has fairly limited connectivity a...
Jump to postAny more news about the problems with a boarding bridge used by Frontier? "Passengers stuck on Hopkins tarmac for hours due to jet bridge issue" https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/passengers-stuck-on-hopkins-tarmac-for-hours-due-to-jet-bridge-issue "Passengers on a Fronti...
Jump to postIF DL we're to do any expansion in PHX it would be to other focus cities or LAS (pre covid they did some P2P shorthaul out of LAS). The mostly likely markets would be CVG, LAS, MCO, AUS, RDU, but doubtful any of those happen other than maybe seasonal CVG. Expansion to existing hubs is far more likel...
Jump to postalasizon wrote:Anyone know why BA is on a three week hiatus? The majority of other destinations on the rotating chopping block at BA have been only a week to ten days.
Bit of a minor quibble, but arriving after 11PM on my last couple of flights, it is super annoying that B & C checkpoint close their exits. Seems with the decent volume of late arrivals that the exit at C could be easily staffed, I know American's mostly come into A so only having A open may not...
Jump to postThis is a really interesting thread. One of my biggest takeaways thinking about all of the airports mentioned is that many of the "mistakes" that are mentioned are design "features" or budgetary casualties. Most airports in the US aren't able to scrap and re-build or even "d...
Jump to postLifetimeGS wrote:AA suspends CLE to PHX before the start....F9 very happy.
I guess the main question is, if DOT denies the request, will DL maintain status quo.
Also, anyone know how long it takes DOT to respond to this type of request. I'd imagine relatively quickly since the waiver rules end in September (?).
Would be interesting if AA/UA, say they do not need any flexibility, but would gladly take on additional slots. Would be interesting to see what DOTs response to DL would be in that circumstance. Do UA and AA really need more Tokyo slots though? I mean maybe AA does, they have a tiny schedule to To...
Jump to postWould be interesting if AA/UA, say they do not need any flexibility, but would gladly take on additional slots. Would be interesting to see what DOTs response to DL would be in that circumstance.
Jump to postIt appears that SKYW investors were pleased with the revenue growth, even in an unprofitable quarter. The stock was trading down before earnings, like the industry generally. AA (AAL) investors have not been rewarded yet for the turnaround. The stock was falling the week or so before earnings hover...
Jump to postThe easiest thing to do would be to, if it ever were to happen, would be to say that an airline can use 20% of its slots on beyond perimeter routes. (or whatever arbitrary percentage makes sense). That way it protects the in-perimeter markets and allow for some beyond perimeter routes. Let the airl...
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