The LAST thing Boeing needs right now is the distraction of a big move. I'd argue they didn't need to move in the first place. But overall, location will not fix culture. Culture is in the mindset of the management and the employees, and not location dependent. Somewhere, Boeing lost sight of their...
Jump to postIf there was a way to bring the ex-ABC 748Fs up to speed then these 3 BOC Aviation Fs will be the test. It has been a year or so on OE-LFI and only rumors so far. Maybe UPS can make a low ball gamble offer and measure the risk avoidance of BOC? There is definitely a way to bridge airplanes from one...
Jump to postSo instead they moved to the swamp. As did Lockheed, Northrop and Raytheon. The Pentagon is the biggest customer for all of them. With Boeing buying Spirit maybe the time has come to say goodbye to McDonnell Douglas by selling or spinoff the defense business. If Boeing didn't have the MD defense bu...
Jump to postfrmrCapCadet wrote:So instead they moved to the swamp.
Reading the article, it doesn't strike me that Boeing is saying no to moving back to Seattle. What they are saying no to is letting a non-binding shareholder vote be held. I think it is unlikely Boeing moves back, but I think we need to be careful of what Boeing is actually objecting to here. They ...
Jump to postYous know there is a third level, its more like chicken, egg and god (or at least thats what the ones in the god category probably think). The third and most problematic category are the shareholders in the sense, that they have control over the board and the board controls the top management. So i...
Jump to postWhich part of " demoralized staff who not even necessarily know, what's "the right thing" or how to come about learning, how to do "the right thing" do you insist on missing? Of course workers who do poor quality work are no heroes. And of course "every quality issue t...
Jump to postAnd now this - https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/09/business/boeing-787-whistleblower/index.html It never really ends for Boeing, isn't it? They have started talking about the 777 as well now! Boeing tried, and abandoned, a new way to build 777s using robots. It sounds like that is the process the whistl...
Jump to postWhich part of " demoralized staff who not even necessarily know, what's "the right thing" or how to come about learning, how to do "the right thing" do you insist on missing? Of course workers who do poor quality work are no heroes. And of course "every quality issue t...
Jump to postSure, labor and management would ideally be aligned. In Boeing’s case, it should be extremely clear by now that labor was right and management was wrong. There is no hero or villain in this story. Management made plenty of mistakes, as has labor. The take-no-prisoners approach labor is taking now, ...
Jump to postWhen relations have broken down to the extent that one side or the other believes a strike is the best way forward then it takes years to recover. I suspect (from what I have read) is that the majority of strikes at Boeing were precipitated by the management (see Dominic Gates article in the Seattl...
Jump to postBut for a labor/management relationship to work there has to be rational consideration by each side of its interests in the relationship. What has been notable throughout the post-McD years is how irrational management has been about it. Charleston is probably the best example. Instead of weighing ...
Jump to postStriking certainly doesn’t help build trust or reduce antagonism. Labor negotiations are a two way street and we shouldn’t pretend the full onus is on a CEO. Labor needs to show up and be willing to partner, which has never been the case at Boeing. But for a labor/management relationship to work th...
Jump to postAnother article by Dominic Gates in the Seattle Times about what went wrong with Boeing, and how to fix it. A lot of good insight from various characters in the aviation industry. "Boeing’s long fall, and how it might recover:" https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/boeing...
Jump to postThere were tremendous problems and disconnects with 787. How much of that is related to who was CEO is uncertain considering the many, many layers below that also hold responsibility for honesty and transparency. It was well-reported at the time that the C-suite only wanted to hear "all was we...
Jump to postI think you’re confusing causation with correlation, along with mixing and matching decisions from different management teams and various time periods. Boeing didn’t generate increasing amounts of cash in the later part of 2010s because it sold off assets or offered early retirements, it was becaus...
Jump to postI think you’re confusing causation with correlation, along with mixing and matching decisions from different management teams and various time periods. Boeing didn’t generate increasing amounts of cash in the later part of 2010s because it sold off assets or offered early retirements, it was becaus...
Jump to postHmmm, disappointed by her pedigree are we? I guess you believe Boeing needs more elites for what ails it. Perhaps you should apply. I'd like to see an outsider take the reigns, but I don't think it's polite to disparage her. I don't think anyone is disparaging her here nor is anyone being impolite....
Jump to postI'd say Airbus needs the parts but not the factories, or as a minimum, Airbus is in no rush of taking over these factories. On the other hand, Boeing needs Spirit Wichita asap to get out of their current troubles. This latest report says Belfast is losing money, I'm not sure any other Airbus contra...
Jump to postFirstly, I wonder which leverage Boeing has to force Airbus to agree on a price anywhere greater the 1 dollar for Belfast, or any other part of Spirit that would go to Airbus. After all, it's Boeing which has a problem to solve and Airbus isn't in the charity business. Airbus needs those parts, so ...
Jump to postArguing Boeing’s problems are the result of “bean counters” or some other profit motive is intellectually dishonest and lazy. It ignores the complexity of aerospace and the multiple internal and external forces that put Boeing into this situation. Prior to the GFC of 2008, Boeing's share price had ...
Jump to postWell I admit I am not sitting the Board Room or the C suite, but it is not like there has not been a tremendous amount of reporting about the situation via the media and government inquiries. Just because Boeing management made wrong decisions and those wrong decisions resulted in a loss of profit ...
Jump to postI don’t think you have an accurate view of the situation or are fairly attributing blame. Well I admit I am not sitting the Board Room or the C suite, but it is not like there has not been a tremendous amount of reporting about the situation via the media and government inquiries. Yes, suppliers an...
Jump to postI don’t think you have an accurate view of the situation or are fairly attributing blame. Why is there a push to assemble and deliver airplanes? It’s because airline customers demand them and penalize Boeing when they’re not delivered. Why are there many quality issues with in-production airplanes ...
Jump to postHow can you say Calhoun and the current board are driving a profits-first culture when there hasn’t been much of a profit since the MAX was grounded? Whether there was an appropriate focus on safety and quality is valid, but it’s hard to argue the current behavior is profit above all. And why has B...
Jump to postSound like you want to fix things by painting over bad rivets, like they did on problematic Alaska 737. That has been what Boeing's senior Executive Management and Board of Directors have been doing since the turn of the century and some feel that they are doing so again by offering Calhoun as a &q...
Jump to postIs anybody arguing that 753s have lower CASM than 321neos? The niche, then, is very congested airports where the incremental seat count is needed at certain times of day. Sorry to tell you, but that just isn't a market in the U.S. Even UA at EWR has the flexibility to spread capacity out a bit. We ...
Jump to postGiven the not so great backlog in Boeing Military and Space and projected Cash flow - if they could sell it to a smaller player - and get $20-30B for it and use it to retire debt that would not be a bad idea. Allow them to focus on commercial. Finish out the tanker program and maybe partner with wh...
Jump to postOne thing that boggles by mind about the argument Boeing HQ needs to be in Seattle is that it ignores the fact the 737, 767 and 777 are only a portion of Boeing’s business. Less than 40% of Boeing’s employees are in Washington State and that will drop if they buy Spirit. I would guess less than hal...
Jump to postBoth fuselages are roughly circular and the widest point of both the 777 and A350 is near the armrests. There’s no getting around that a 10 abreast A350 will be a miserable experience. The A350 fuselage is not circular, nor does the floor intersect the fuselage half way. https://runwaygirlnetwork.c...
Jump to postThe A350 NPS' cabin width is 6 inches narrower than the legacy 777, and 10 inches narrower than the 777X. That suggests 10-abreast on an A350 NPS would have seats and aisles 1/2 inch narrower than the legacy 777 (assuming the same width armrests). According to the 777 airport planning guide, on the...
Jump to postThe A350-1000F and the 777-8X are near identical in overall size, and have very similar payload and range capabilities. These freighters are designed for long haul, heavy cargo operations. I think conversations of A330 and 777 will fill the remaining demand for dedicated cargo aircraft. I can't see...
Jump to postYou are absolutely right about the current Boeing management and future changes needed! Just last month Boeing BOD denied a shareholder vote to move the Headquarters back to Seattle so there is some shareholder discontent with the current status of the company. IMHO Boeing should spin off the milit...
Jump to postThe A350-1000F and the 777-8X are near identical in overall size, and have very similar payload and range capabilities. These freighters are designed for long haul, heavy cargo operations. I think conversations of A330 and 777 will fill the remaining demand for dedicated cargo aircraft. I can't see...
Jump to postFlair made record revenue on Tuesday, the day after their website was down for 3 days. Jones didn't actually say that they made record revenue: "Jones doesn’t believe Flair is losing its appeal in customers’ eyes, pointing to a surge of new flight bookings on Tuesday when the company’s system ...
Jump to postFlair made record revenue on Tuesday, the day after their website was down for 3 days. Jones didn't actually say that they made record revenue: "Jones doesn’t believe Flair is losing its appeal in customers’ eyes, pointing to a surge of new flight bookings on Tuesday when the company’s system ...
Jump to postAn airline CEO is not an appropriate candidate for this position IMO. Part of how we got here, is pressure from airlines on training requirements. Among many policy changes we should make, barring airlines and manufacturers from coneidering training requirements in the sales process seems rational ...
Jump to postAn airline CEO is not an appropriate candidate for this position IMO. Part of how we got here, is pressure from airlines on training requirements. Among many policy changes we should make, barring airlines and manufacturers from coneidering training requirements in the sales process seems rational ...
Jump to postMarkus787 wrote:They also just reached an agreement with their pilots today.
For a pay raise…
I’m floored.
Yeah you are right, why would a company that is in the business of developing products that cost tens of Billions to develop have couple of billions in their war chest…? :/ Because they were generating more than enough every year to fund that as well. No real need to save up for it as development t...
Jump to postWouldn't it be great if we had a Boeing version of ASFlyer or EA CO AS to give us thoughts from what people on the ground & work in the plants think, or is that just me? There must be someone here who does work there, but I'm guessing the corporate culture is unforgiving for sharing such inform...
Jump to postI think Air Transat’s fleet decision depends on what the airline wants to be. If network stays more or less the same, it’s probably hard to justify 787s. But if they want to grow and fly longer routes having that capability would be needed.
Jump to postThe problem with buybacks I see is that they invested money they better should have used for research on the next programs. Senior mgt. might be tempted to prefer stock buybacks as their year end bonus might depend on the stock. This is what financial guys on top will do instead of engineers. Boein...
Jump to postFlair Airlines equity investor 777Partners source of money might be under jeopardy soon. US insurance group " A-Cap " a New York-based financial services and insurance company, has provided 777 with hundreds of millions of dollars in loans and reinsurance business over the last three year...
Jump to postYeah you are right, why would a company that is in the business of developing products that cost tens of Billions to develop have couple of billions in their war chest…? :/ Because they were generating more than enough every year to fund that as well. No real need to save up for it as development t...
Jump to postThat's a very original suggestion. Mike Patey is an aeronautical genius, and an extremely hard worker and successful businessman. He would bring so much to Boeing. He could slide into almost any position, but if he got free reigns as CEO and a board that supports him fully, he could turn Boeing aro...
Jump to postMike Patey for CEO. I’m half joking here, but I actually think the guy would do a pretty good job. He’s an incredibly hard worker, owns multiple businesses (Pharmaceutical, construction, aviation), and he's very much into aviation. He invented a new type of slat for his experimental plane and even ...
Jump to postI don’t see Stephanie Pope as the right person to lead BCA and replace Stan Deal. She is an accountant who spent almost all of her career in finance. She also started her career at McDonnell Douglas. Stan Deal, Jim Albaugh and Kevin McAllister are engineers. How did that work for Boeing? I’m not sa...
Jump to postUAL SFO mtc base is a shadow of its former self. It is far smaller than it was, and UAL had a smaller fleet then, so it's a double whammy on terms of work/jobs IND never even got fully built out before UAL sold it off/shut it down, and they had massive tax incentives to keep it in IND. The people w...
Jump to postWeatherwatcher1 wrote:I don’t see Stephanie Pope as the right person to lead BCA and replace Stan Deal. She is an accountant who spent almost all of her career in finance. She also started her career at McDonnell Douglas.