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by iamlucky13
Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2493
Views: 311184

Re: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018

There are also questions of scaling that investment in terms of both the footprint necessary to produce say 60 narrowbody fuselages a month. From what I read it takes 10 hours or so to cook a 787 barrel section. For simplicity sake let’s say you can do one a day per autoclave and maybe 2 a day if y...

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by iamlucky13
Thu Jul 12, 2018 5:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2493
Views: 311184

Re: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018

Triumph Aerospace Structures vice-president of engineering Martin Perya thinks it would be "extremely difficult, if not impossible" to adopt a composite airframe for a single-aisle aircraft with today's carbonfibre technology. He says "high level" investment would be required to...

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by iamlucky13
Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2493
Views: 311184

Re: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018

I remember the 787 was originally launched as the 7E7. Considering the Mom moniker, does that mean the 797 will be launched as the 7M7? I don't think it tells us much. I always viewed the 7E7 label as supporting the marketing transition from the Sonic Cruiser to an efficiency-oriented design. The s...

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by iamlucky13
Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2493
Views: 311184

Re: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018

FG: Boeing secures '797' trademark Most have expected this, but some of our a.net numerologists might be disappointed. Having just double-checked on GC Map the ability of this aircraft to connect almost any major US city, as well as Japan, to one of the top vacation destinations for either country,...

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by iamlucky13
Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:32 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: US Army buys a 777 to blow it up
Replies: 45
Views: 8633

Re: US Army buys a 777 to blow it up

I found some interesting related reading: https://www.dhs.gov/science-and-technology/news/2017/12/20/snapshot-new-simulator-tool-tests-aircraft-explosive DHS already has a test facility run in partnership with the US Army at Aberdeen. This includes a pressure vessel they can attach fuselage panel sa...

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by iamlucky13
Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:23 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: US Army buys a 777 to blow it up
Replies: 45
Views: 8633

Re: US Army buys a 777 to blow it up

Are there still any of the 787 prototypes that couldn’t be sold that are still in theoretically flyable condition (with a little prep-work perhaps) and haven’t been donated to a museum? Reading that they want to know how a modern airliner reacts to explosives, I’d think they might be interested in ...

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by iamlucky13
Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:23 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: US Army buys a 777 to blow it up
Replies: 45
Views: 8633

Re: US Army buys a 777 to blow it up

I can't open the link in the Netherlands but why is the US army doing this exercise and not the air force? It actually says this is being done for the Department of Homeland Security, so the project doesn't even originate with the DoD. However, it is being done at Aberdeen Proving Grounds , which i...

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by iamlucky13
Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:19 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: US Army buys a 777 to blow it up
Replies: 45
Views: 8633

Re: US Army buys a 777 to blow it up

There would be an argument for USAF involvement because they have extensive knowledge of aircraft structures and how they take damage - they could provide some good advice and could probably help scrub the results. But in the end it looks like they are just blowing up a large structure on the groun...

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by iamlucky13
Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:34 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: US Army buys a 777 to blow it up
Replies: 45
Views: 8633

Re: US Army buys a 777 to blow it up

I can't open the link in the Netherlands but why is the US army doing this exercise and not the air force? It actually says this is being done for the Department of Homeland Security, so the project doesn't even originate with the DoD. However, it is being done at Aberdeen Proving Grounds, which is...

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by iamlucky13
Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing is planning to raise the monthly output of 737s by 10%
Replies: 3
Views: 1202

Re: Boeing is planning to raise the monthly output of 737s by 10%

I don't think most members keep close track of future production rate plans, and therefore are unaware that the rate increase to 57/month has been planned for a while. From a quick search, I believe it was made official in January 2016, and had been mentioned as under discussion prior to that. Examp...

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by iamlucky13
Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2493
Views: 311184

Re: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018

Reuters: Boeing targets 2025 for new jet but won't rush decision For what it's worth Jon Ostrower Boeing eyes 1Q19 for board authority to start selling new NMA https://theaircurrent.com/industry-stra ... uce-goose/ … (via @theaircurrent) So, as late as March 31, 2019? 777X authority to offer was 5/...

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by iamlucky13
Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Production/Delivery Thread 2018
Replies: 332
Views: 89325

Re: CSeries Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Both major manufacturers (A and B) seem to brag about cutting costs by using suppliers. Then, after they cut the suppliers to the bone and the suppliers are unable to produce in adequate numbers with requisite quality, they throw those same suppliers under the bus. This is true, but the problem has...

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by iamlucky13
Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Production Thread 2018
Replies: 164
Views: 38270

Re: Boeing 777X Production Thread 2018

Looks crowded.

The banner on the far one appears to say "777-9 Static."

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by iamlucky13
Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing has given the 3 Major Engine Manufacturers until June 27 to submit their 797 engine proposals
Replies: 313
Views: 45334

Re: Boeing has given the 3 Major Engine Manufacturers until June 27 to submit their 797 engine proposals

Say you tank kerosene it at 2,00$ per gallon and your baseline plane burns 15.000 gallons on the flight. So you fuel cost is 30.000$. A plane burning 6% less would use 14.100$ gallons and your fuel cost would be 28.200$. But if we say fuel makes up 35% of the trip costs for your baseline plane, the...

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by iamlucky13
Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing unveils hypersonic aircraft concept
Replies: 32
Views: 9688

Re: Boeing unveils hypersonic aircraft

No audible sonic booms over land, period. If you want to direct the noise upward, fine, have at it. But no way is any modern country going to sacrifice the living standards of the population for a few super jetsetters. That's an unreasonably arbitrary criteria. Noise allowances should be based on h...

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by iamlucky13
Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Production/Delivery Thread 2018
Replies: 332
Views: 89325

Re: CSeries Production/Delivery Thread 2018

RedWings will take 6 CSeries CS300 from May 2019. Article in german: https://www.aerotelegraph.com/red-wings-startet-in-elf-monaten-mit-c-series Nice! Redwings, Moxie, and the AirBaltic top off were a good run the last month. Farnborough will be exciting with UA,B6, NK, ET, and Kenya competing the ...

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by iamlucky13
Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta ejects passengers over airplane mode spat
Replies: 177
Views: 15813

Re: Delta ejects passengers over airplane mode spat

That flight attendant deserved every bit of snark she got. This kind of attitude is part of the overall problem. When you assess situations according to a criteria of whether or not they give you or somebody else justification to treat people differently than would normally be considered civil, the...

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by iamlucky13
Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta ejects passengers over airplane mode spat
Replies: 177
Views: 15813

Re: Delta ejects passengers over airplane mode spat

The video says it is a "developing story", but the links in the story (dated this morning) indicate the passenger went public yesterday, and the incident happened and concluded (ie - was no longer developing) almost a week ago. The only thing still developing is the media's attempts to pla...

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by iamlucky13
Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing unveils hypersonic aircraft concept
Replies: 32
Views: 9688

Re: Boeing unveils hypersonic aircraft

If you can't afford to sit in the front today (or are not willing to pay for it), you can't afford hypersonic transport in the future. That is the view I will hold to for the foreseeable future. I could see it conceivably becoming a reality over the very long term, but I don't have any expectation ...

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by iamlucky13
Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flight attendants have a higher rate of every cancer outcome, study says
Replies: 64
Views: 8323

Re: Flight attendants have a higher rate of every cancer outcome, study says

Thank you for including a link to paper. Not enough discussions about topics like this ever delve into the original source, much less are forthright enough to include it. It's because they go through the metal detectors at airport security at least once every day. Not metal detectors. X-rays machine...

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by iamlucky13
Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FedEx orders additional 767 and 777s
Replies: 113
Views: 19505

Re: FedEx orders additional 767 and 777s

And regardless of that line of thought, the quote started with Boeing "enjoys a monopoly in mid-size and large cargo aircraft." Of the 320 new-build widebody freighters sold between January 2009 and May 2018, 278 were Boeing, which is an 87% share. That's pretty much the dictionary defini...

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by iamlucky13
Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FedEx orders additional 767 and 777s
Replies: 113
Views: 19505

Re: FedEx orders additional 767 and 777s

I think it's very curious that Dominic Gates, the long-time aviation reporter at the Seattle Times, who I've generally found to be well-informed on an industry that is obviously quite important in the region, wrote that Airbus doesn't have sell any widebody freighters: He's arguably not wrong since...

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by iamlucky13
Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FedEx orders additional 767 and 777s
Replies: 113
Views: 19505

Re: FedEx orders additional 767 and 777s

I think it's very curious that Dominic Gates, the long-time aviation reporter at the Seattle Times, who I've generally found to be well-informed on an industry that is obviously quite important in the region, wrote that Airbus doesn't have sell any widebody freighters: Boeing is well placed to take ...

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by iamlucky13
Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FedEx orders additional 767 and 777s
Replies: 113
Views: 19505

Re: FedEx orders additional 767 and 777s

Not to mention the AF is going to need NEACP/AF2/E3/JSTAR/Looking Glass replacements soon I don't know the intent for all of those, but for JSTARS the USAF was at least in the past planning to shift to a smaller aircraft (737 or business jet based) to carry the sensors and communicate the data to t...

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by iamlucky13
Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FedEx orders additional 767 and 777s
Replies: 113
Views: 19505

Re: FedEx orders additional 767 and 777s

In a couple of years time Boeing could be producing more 767's than 777's. Quite possible. I imagine the airforce will allocate more funding for additional tankers. And don't forget that other branches of the military (including national guard units) all operate tankers as well. And of course there...

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by iamlucky13
Tue Jun 19, 2018 4:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CSeries orders and possible orders for 2018
Replies: 96
Views: 20209

Re: CSeries orders and possible orders for 2018

With 30 more for airBaltic and 60 supposedly for Moxy, on top of the existing large Delta and Air Canada orders, at what point do potential new customers not order because there are no delivery slots given the slow rate of deliveries? Several years ago, probably. The uncertainty about Bombardier's ...

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by iamlucky13
Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Order book and production rates for the 777 and 777x during and after the transition
Replies: 10
Views: 2216

Re: Order book and production rates for the 777 and 777x during and after the transition

It's pretty often discussed that there is a lot of widebody capacity in the market right now, and the biggest customers are experiencing difficulty maintaining their prior growth trends. That the 777 delivery demand actually hit 8.3/month in the past is pretty incredible and arguably helped over-sat...

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by iamlucky13
Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Production Thread 2018
Replies: 164
Views: 38270

Re: Boeing 777X Production Thread 2018

I wonder if Boeing is using the Dreamlifters to bring in large plane parts from Japan like the fuselage panel shown above? Being alloy won`t the fuselage & wings be built in-house like previous triple 7 models? Even if wings are carbon-fibre covered ( didn`t they buy an autoclave for the wings?...

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by iamlucky13
Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Production Thread 2018
Replies: 164
Views: 38270

Re: Boeing 777X Production Thread 2018

Yep. The scrapped airplane was discussed here before, and pieces of it have been seen sitting outside of the FAUB in Everett. I just looked for the video of the scrapping process again to share, and ended up finding a couple videos. It looks like JA8941 and JA8942 were both used. Here's JA8941, line...

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by iamlucky13
Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Production Thread 2018
Replies: 164
Views: 38270

Re: Boeing 777X Production Thread 2018

Revelation's note to look at post 110 for the windows caused me to relook at the assembly picture on Post 101.. what is puzzling is the missing crown skin on at least one and maybe two fuselage sections (42 and 43). I think the red pieces in the background are stability rods .. Never seen Boeing jo...

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by iamlucky13
Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Trouble with the GEnx on the 787-10
Replies: 34
Views: 9413

Re: Trouble with the GEnx on the 787-10

Gosh whats up with engine manufacturers these days?! These days? Haven't most engines historically had a variety of issues in their early years? Every new design pushes the envelop further. Yet I can think of only two clearly engine related crashes in the last decade (British Airways Flight 38 - no...

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by iamlucky13
Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delay in PAE start of flights?
Replies: 10
Views: 1893

Re: Delay in PAE start of flights?

I'd think Propeller could negotiate with their airlines for a slower ramp up of service if any of the airlines are interested, rather than delaying all service. The problem with that idea is that they make their investment - and maybe never get the number of flights they want. They've already taken...

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by iamlucky13
Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delay in PAE start of flights?
Replies: 10
Views: 1893

Re: Delay in PAE start of flights?

I don't know that this was worth a new thread instead of just continuing with the construction thread: http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1365071 I've said before an updated environmental assessment would be necessary at some point in Paine Field's growth. Previously, I assumed since no ...

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by iamlucky13
Wed May 30, 2018 4:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Person falls onto tarmac and dies after being removed from aircraft
Replies: 37
Views: 10380

Re: Person falls onto the tarmac and dies while being removed from the plane.

Based on what little has been shared in English, I suppose one possible factor may have been a mental health condition such as dementia. It seems like there's really very little to discuss, however, until further details are shared.

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by iamlucky13
Sun May 27, 2018 10:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why were the 757 and 767 such dead-end designs?
Replies: 109
Views: 16637

Re: Why were the 757 and 767 such dead-end designs?

Please clarify: is the question specifically about the 757-300 and 767-400, or is it about the full family of each? The 757 was in production for over 20 years, and the 767 will surpass 40 years before the KC-46 contract is fulfilled. Neither of these had major updates. The 757 actually was in produ...

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by iamlucky13
Mon May 07, 2018 3:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Production Thread 2018
Replies: 164
Views: 38270

Re: Boeing 777X Production Thread 2018

Anyone have any idea when the first bird starts final assembly? When I drove past the factory last week on a warm day, I could see the new arch tool for worker access for the fuselage joins sitting inside one of the open doors, so they are probably getting close. It's somewhat similar to the alumin...

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by iamlucky13
Thu May 03, 2018 5:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Construction of Paine Field passenger terminal begins
Replies: 66
Views: 13592

Re: Construction of Paine Field passenger terminal begins

Some national news coverage of the Paine Field terminal: https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2018/04/24/seattle-paine-field-airport-private-terminal/546485002/ There's no construction updates in it, but there is a recent picture of the construction at the top of the article, ...

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by iamlucky13
Wed May 02, 2018 6:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing to buy aerospace parts maker KLX
Replies: 21
Views: 2435

Re: Boeing to buy aerospace parts maker KLX

Why did BA ever sell it? Part of Condit's and McNerney's plan to make Boeing a "final assembly integrator" where they would not make anything themselves, just put all the parts together in a FAL. For those who weren't following the developments at the time, here's a retrospective on it. I...

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by iamlucky13
Wed May 02, 2018 5:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Engines for Boom SST completed; currently being trucked to hangar and will arrive in a week
Replies: 22
Views: 7186

Re: Engines for Boom SST completed; currently being trucked to hangar and will arrive in a week

How much thrust do they need? I would think it could be made to work with 4th generation engines optimized for high speed work. They've indicated in the ballpark of 15-20,000 lbs dry thrust. The P&W F100 and GE F110 families can do that. Depending on how much investment they can line up, I tend...

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by iamlucky13
Wed May 02, 2018 6:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Engines for Boom SST completed; currently being trucked to hangar and will arrive in a week
Replies: 22
Views: 7186

Re: Engines for Boom SST completed; currently being trucked to hangar and will arrive in a week

Unless the engines will somehow address the sonic boom issue, I don't see how this aircraft will gain more market share than the old Concorde. I recall reading that NASA or some agency believed they had made advancements in reducing the sound, but it doesn't sound like the technology has made it ou...

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by iamlucky13
Wed May 02, 2018 4:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing to buy aerospace parts maker KLX
Replies: 21
Views: 2435

Re: Boeing to buy aerospace parts maker KLX

Last decade's hottest trend in the nation's top MBA programs: Return on Net Assets and Risk-Sharing. This decade's hottest trend in the nation's top MBA programs: Vertical Integration. To be fair, I like this trend better, but I wonder if we'll see it taken to similarly questionable extremes like th...

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by iamlucky13
Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest flight 3461 April 15: "Passengers Cry, Scream in Southwest Airlines Landing"
Replies: 76
Views: 13536

Re: "Passengers Cry, Scream in Southwest Airlines Landing"

Administrator request - please replace the current thread title (Passengers Cry, Scream in Southwest Airlines Landing) with the flight number and mention of severe weather. This thread is about severe weather experienced by WN3461 on 4/15/18. There was a fatality on WN1380 today, 4/17/18, reportedly...

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by iamlucky13
Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lockheed Martin Awarded New Supersonic Aircraft Project by NASA
Replies: 66
Views: 6741

Re: Lockheed Martin Awarded New Supersonic Aircraft Project by NASA

So this thread should be moved to Military Aviation & Space. It obviously has nothing to do with civil aviation. There's really not much reason to think so. There's no mention of DoD involvement, and if the DoD wanted to hide an interest in quieter supersonic aircraft, they'd do it under their ...

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by iamlucky13
Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing hit by WannaCry virus, could impact production
Replies: 52
Views: 7788

Re: Boeing hit by WannaCry virus, could impact production

It’s much more complicated than that. Often time the patching process is just as disruptive if not more so than the threat of a virus. Yep, especially since most IT personnel are primarily experienced with office IT development and support, not industrial. Even within industrial IT staff, their han...

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by iamlucky13
Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Construction of Paine Field passenger terminal begins
Replies: 66
Views: 13592

Re: Construction of Paine Field passenger terminal begins

Are they building any remote stands? Are there any now? None there now or in the currently announced plans. Also worth noting is the Swift Green Line which will open next spring will have a stop less than half a mile from the passenger terminal. Should be about a 10 minute walk. A little over 1/3 o...

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by iamlucky13
Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Construction of Paine Field passenger terminal begins
Replies: 66
Views: 13592

Re: Construction of Paine Field passenger terminal begins

H So far, yes. The terminal developer claims they have promising talks going on with multiple other airlines. Who knows what that really means, but like other posters, I could see Delta being interested, and Allegiant has in the past expressed a desire to flight from PAE. The crowding at SEA is pro...

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by iamlucky13
Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 2493
Views: 311184

Re: Why is Boeing waiting to officially launch the NMA or the "797?"

Boeing have identified a potential gap in the market, but have said themselves that they have not yet constructed the business case. I believe Boeing's most recent statement was that they haven't yet been able to close the business case. As far as I recall, that is still the latest official word. B...

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by iamlucky13
Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Potential of Paine Field in 5 Years?
Replies: 3
Views: 1092

Re: Potential of Paine Field in 5 Years?

With three airlines (UA, AS, and WN) signing up to fly up to 24 flights a day, this is quickly getting to the approved limit of 3,600 passengers a year, way before the opening of the new terminal. If demand continues to climb, will authorities approve additional capacity? If more airlines join the ...

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by iamlucky13
Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:08 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Air Force One Needs New Refrigerators. They Cost $24 Million
Replies: 99
Views: 7500

Re: Air Force One Needs New Refrigerators. They Cost $24 Million

At the Seattle aviation museum I toured an early AF One. IIRC Eisenhower's 707, I was struck with how utilitarian it was, definitely not luxurious. Eisenhower flew on VC-121's (Lockheed Constellations). His wife gave them the name "Columbine" after Colorado's state flower. SAM 26000 (707 ...

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by iamlucky13
Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:59 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Air Force One Needs New Refrigerators. They Cost $24 Million
Replies: 99
Views: 7500

Re: Air Force One Needs New Refrigerators. They Cost $24 Million

72 hours would probably be more than enough though. If you need to stay up longer, I dare say there is no "World" to come back to at that point. If there where to be a all-out nuclear strike, chances are you wont have access to aerial refuelers anyway. They will be among the first targets...

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