They dont have to run mainline.
They have 270 slots at JFK with a B6 takeover...they have a hub. They can make the hub work how they see fit with outsourced RJs and mainline. I suspect their upstate ops would look like UA at EWR.
It is better for JFK (pax count wise) if they stay separate obviously.
AAs best bet in NYC (I hate to say it) is a purchase and merger with B6. Forget the other B6 pieces, just concentrate on planes and NYC slots. It would give AA a 270 departure hub from JFK, they would be a solid number 2 at LGA and they would have a presence in EWR and HPN. Short of that, they arent...Jump to post
Didnt DL fly their seasonally over the last few years?
I know a smaller Italian airline flew 330s to JFK nonstop a few years ago.
The 320 being widespread in the US was a JetBlue/post 9/11 thing. Until that point UA US NW had 320s. Most US Airlines had 737s 727s 757s and 767s. 9/11 flushed the older planes. But it wasnt until the seismic shift in the narrowbody market that 320 family aircraft became widespread in the US. Today...Jump to post
It is not ironic at all. US was the largest carrier at LGA in terms of slots and had no interest in the position. The same management team in place at American right now. A leopard doesn’t change it’s spots NYC is a place you want to be in; or you dont want to be in It is an expensive place to play ...Jump to post
AA made a big mistake letting DL becoming the number 1 airline in NYC. Many on a.net seem to want to believe this, as evidenced by how many posters make this statement. But posting it does not make it true. DL is not the number 1 airline in NYC. 2016 passenger totals (combined LGA + EWR + JFK): 1. ...Jump to post
That is so interesting about the Sundrome. I looked at an old pic, and you are right, there were no gates between the satellites! That explains why both satellites had an usable tiny gate when TWA and later B6 were occupants. TWA added 4 gates mid terminal while making a gate in the satellite unusab...Jump to post
Quick history question:
Why did National build the Sundrome at JFK?
They didnt fly to Europe and seemed to be limited to Florida.
I know a terminal at JFK was the thing to do in the 60s, but this seems a bit much for a small airline with no intl presence from the airport.
Lost in all of this: jetblue will be vacating the entire finger of gates that it currently has. Furthermore, Airside 4 has lots of empty space. While new gates and terminals and shiny trains are nice, let’s not pretend that MCO needs these gates. Airside 1 is underutilized. Airside 4 is very underut...Jump to post
No one is getting laid off, just displaced to another base, Happens all the time in the airline business. Nothing to cry about and Alaska pilot scheduling will rework the schedules so as to minimize NY layovers. It will almost always be a layover since most the NYC destinations are on the west coas...Jump to post
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:For historical perspective what was the CO operation like at EWR before they RJ’d the heck out of it starting in the late 90s early 2000s
Sounds like they woke up to a reality of: 1. Unslotted EWR with increased competition 2. A Delta hub that is more O and D focused than their hub 3. B6 and now WN with a sizable presence in NYC That days of wasting gate and runway space on flights with 30 people on them are coming to an end in NYC (b...Jump to post
B6 and AS both fly it.
B6 flies it with mint in Dec.
Catering to the old gays with money and some of the bold and beautiful with second homes..the flights hold their own.
B6 recently expanded service
Out of curiosity what are the biggest Mexico-US routes? For 12-months ending Sept 2017. 1. LAX-MEX 1,190,680 +21% 2. IAH-MEX 841,069 +2% 3. GDL-LAX 819,310 -9% 4. JFK-MEX 807,213 +23% 5. ATL-CUN 747,174 +6% 6. LAX-CUN 732,154 +26% 7. JFK-CUN 728,616 +24% 8. DFW-CUN 721,250 +4% 9. MIA-MEX 706,052 -9...Jump to post
Delta runs away with it. Their dual JFK/ATL gateways plus service from other hubs plus one offs from spokes to partner Euro hubs does them well. Looks like 30 years later, that Pan Am purchase did them well :) On a side note, as a Y passenger (which most of us are) Delta is far superior in product a...Jump to post
Who buys a CRJ 900 in 2018? The shuttle is a problem because they dont have scope room to replace them with ERJs from a regional operator so they will have to steal them from elsewhere in the network. That means a mix of 175 and a larger mainline aircraft. The larger mainline aircraft have their own...Jump to post
How about this:
It is a nice gesture to honor the crew after a terrible ordeal.
You guys keep acting like this and we will see another civil war in America. Let’s keep cool heads and stop the attacks and rhetoric.
Delta is notorious for shifting its feed around every so often. Really nothing to it. SkyWest did or is in the process of opening a LGA base so it’s not temporary. Why do they do this? There must be some rationale. Goes back to the Comair days when the pilot strike shutdown two hubs for months. Sin...Jump to post
B6 doesnt fully utilize their JFK slots.
They have room for around 178 flights.
Everyday they are below that, they can add.
If you count the days they are below 178 flights, you will see they are below that number for most of the year.
One could hope for 1-2 CLE JFK eventually.
They are slowly filling in dots from JFK. JFK isnt LGA, but the demand of a 9 million person city (just city not metro) will fill within perimeter flights. DFW CLE MSP DTW...once the slots go away (and they are going away)
It's pretty amusing reading all these predictions. People really have no concept here of how bad WN, AA and DL have also been doing at LGB. As for the short runway at SNA/BUR, why is that a problem when the only carrier doing transcon flight out of secondary LA area airport is B6? As long as SNA is...Jump to post
JB is cutting 12 flights. 1/3 of its LGB operation. I think you guys are overestimating demand. This is a sad day for Long Beach and for the JB hub. The final result (a few years out) will be the end of point to point flying for JetBlue on the West Coast and a huge drop in the amount of passengers u...Jump to post
What adds? LGB just got gutted and thrown 2 semi weekly flightsJump to post
You’re assuming those airlines want those slots. They are not coveted, that is why B6 scooped them up. It is also why they are now giving them up. There has been a false sense of value over the last year as WN came into town...but here’s a little secret...WN doesnt want 40 flights a day from LGB eit...Jump to post
Not an expansion at all, but reallocation and (for the west coast) a huge retreat.
Drops flights by 1/3 in LGB.
I dont think thw cuts stop there either. Time will tell
They’re a tough, scrappy group of pilots that has stared down a management group they feel mistreats them.
They also have the only successful strike of a US carrier in recent memory.
I think they can be envied by pilots at all airlines for those characteristics.
MSY is an obvious add for WN at LGA, probably IND and CMH too, perhaps OMA or BWI. At DCA, increased frequencies, perhaps IND. ISP would be a cool add, though I know it's crazy. Would solidify WN's presence at ISP and show their commitment to the NYC area. I think we could see some adjusting at EWR...Jump to post
Thank you! Cant wait to see these “comfort” animals banned completely in the future. If I see one more person taking an 8 pound yapper to Palm Beach as a “comfort” pet to avoid the pet fee, Im going to scream. Humans push the limit (it is our nature) and this scam (and, yes, it is a scam) has gone t...Jump to post
You are looking in the wrong places...
Atlanta will be knocked off the top spot by a city in Asia.
That’s the future...
Why cant DL make PBI-JFK work?
Certainly has seasonal swings, but not a seasonal route
They are not pulling out because they can not pull out. It is marginally profitable and they have nothing else. B6 seems beloved or loathed by a.netters. Strong feelings aside, they have some big issues at present and seem to be floundering around with indecision and impotent leadership. The former ...Jump to post
Would be JFK. This flight can't and shouldn't need connections to survive. The premium demand should be sufficient from SIN, and JFK is seen as more premium than EWR... Except that if any of that were such a clear-cut case, then SQ had 9yrs and two market downturns to switch that flight over... and...Jump to post
By all accounts AA most profitable hub has by far the lowest O/D. Great location, rapidly growing city, thriving banking center, low airport costs, cheap place to do business. Charlotte is a great hub with a bright future. People leave places like Pennsylvania New York and Illinois to move to place...Jump to post