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by mcogator
Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Orlando air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 232
Views: 18288

Re: Orlando air service discussion - 2018

neomax wrote:
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What an amazing site. I bet the security lines were a complete joy.

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by mcogator
Thu Aug 02, 2018 2:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: Royal Air Maroc (RAM) To Start Miami
Replies: 42
Views: 5981

Re: Rumor: Royal Air Maroc (RAM) To Start Miami

My rich Moroccan friends that I went to college with at the University of Florida all travel back and forth from Miami to Casa Blanca/Rabat multiple times a year. Also, Orlando has a very large amount of Moroccan immigrants. I'm not sure if they would rather connect at JFK or fly direct from MIA.

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by mcogator
Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL and Colombia
Replies: 60
Views: 6249

Re: DL and Colombia

I'm afraid that Colombia's history of drug cartels and associated violence is still very much in the minds of many Americans. The reality is that beyond those who have family, friends, or business ties in Colombia and those who are of Latin descent, the majority of U.S. citizens would not consider ...

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by mcogator
Thu May 31, 2018 8:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: China Eastern to launch Shanghai - Pittsburgh charters
Replies: 69
Views: 8135

Re: China Eastern to launch Shanghai - Pittsburgh charters

So what does the first flight from PVG do? Wait, fly back empty, or most likely ferry over to JFK to operate one of their flights from there? It says there will be outbound PIT charters too. I cant imagine they can fill a 77W from PIT by only being able to book through a charter company. I'm sure i...

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by mcogator
Thu May 31, 2018 8:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL Ending MKE-MCO non-stop?
Replies: 5
Views: 1264

Re: DL Ending MKE-MCO non-stop?

12 months ending 12/17 for MKE

#32 domestic market from MCO.
553 avg daily seats
85.4% load factor
9.90 cpm(one of the lowest non west coast)

Doesn't look like a market DL would want to fight for year round.

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by mcogator
Thu May 31, 2018 8:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: China Eastern to launch Shanghai - Pittsburgh charters
Replies: 69
Views: 8135

Re: China Eastern to launch Shanghai - Pittsburgh charters

So what does the first flight from PVG do? Wait, fly back empty, or most likely ferry over to JFK to operate one of their flights from there?

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by mcogator
Tue May 22, 2018 2:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Big airports without transfer passengers
Replies: 89
Views: 10493

Re: Big airports without transfer passengers

Although don't have any hard numbers, I would venture to guess that very few of the 44.6 million people that go trough MCO yearly are transfer passengers. O&D 12 months ending 2017 Q3 US top domestic O&D 1. LAX- 50 mil 2. ORD- 38.6 mil 3. LAS- 36.5 mil 4. DEN- 36.3 mil 5. MCO- 35.7 mil 6. A...

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by mcogator
Fri May 18, 2018 7:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Man punches deaf pregnant woman and service dog on F9 flight at MCO
Replies: 63
Views: 9669

Man punches deaf pregnant woman and service dog on F9 flight at MCO

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-punch-airplane-dog-pregnant-woman-20180518-story.html A 59-year-old man punched a deaf pregnant woman and her service dog inside a Frontier flight upon landing in Orlando on Friday. Petrini Manley complained of being allergic to dogs as the plane ...

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by mcogator
Thu May 17, 2018 9:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue to Anchor new MCO Terminal
Replies: 41
Views: 7668

Re: JetBlue to Anchor new MCO Terminal

For B6 to grow that much, would they at long last look at Canada? They could easily fill 1-3x daily from YYZ, YUL, YOW, YQB, YHM, YHZ in winter. Do B6 do any seasonal destinations? Most like not Canada, more likely Caribbean, Central America, Mexico and Northern South America. Lima, Aruba, Providen...

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by mcogator
Thu May 17, 2018 8:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue to Anchor new MCO Terminal
Replies: 41
Views: 7668

Re: JetBlue to Anchor new MCO Terminal

evank516 wrote:
Wow I didn't realized B6 surpassed DL in terms of daily flights. I really have to wonder where the other 37 flights are going to come from though. Their route map doesn't have enough dots IMO.

Yes, daily flights, but DL has a significantly more 13.2% in daily seats in May 2018.

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by mcogator
Thu May 17, 2018 4:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue to Anchor new MCO Terminal
Replies: 41
Views: 7668

Re: JetBlue to Anchor new MCO Terminal

Good, they need a new place to grow. And they'll beat WN to the punch if the want to beef up MCO-International. I don't think Southwest needs to look over its shoulder at JetBlue in Orlando. As of Feb 21, 2018, Southwest will offer up to 186 departures a day to 54 cities : That Orlando Sentinel art...

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by mcogator
Wed May 16, 2018 9:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MCO expanding its expansion
Replies: 10
Views: 1826

Re: MCO expanding its expansion

Its approved, along with Jetblue's move. https://orlandoairports.net/press/2018/05/16/goaa-board-approves-additional-gates-at-orlando-international-airports-south-terminal/ the Board also authorized a Memorandum of Understanding with JetBlue Airways that provides for JetBlue to operate both domestic...

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by mcogator
Tue May 15, 2018 8:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL to add new routes after agreement with ME3
Replies: 194
Views: 22437

Re: DL to add new routes after agreement with ME3

US-India is very long and low yielding. The ME3 and soon WOW in the market, the economics will be worse than the last time delta tried it. I just don't see delta making a ton of money in that sector. Wow I think has almost endless potential on North america-india, delta I think has very little real...

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by mcogator
Fri May 11, 2018 12:27 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Israel and Iran trade fire
Replies: 60
Views: 2057

Re: Israel and Iran trade fire

NSA head John Bolton and Senator Tom Cotton, probably are so excited about this turn of events, and looking forward to getting us into another war. Let's hope, Iran needs to be dealt with, they are a terror state and need regime change. The US shouldn't be involved in regime changes in Iran. Look h...

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by mcogator
Wed May 09, 2018 7:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Orlando air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 232
Views: 18288

Re: Orlando air service discussion - 2018

https://orlandoairports.net/press/2018/05/09/record-first-quarter-traffic-at-orlando-international-airport/ ORLANDO, FL. – Thanks in part to 309,000 additional seats coming into Orlando International Airport in March, the first quarter of 2018 is another one for the record books. Domestic passenger ...

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by mcogator
Tue May 08, 2018 10:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UAL, DAL & AA, who is # 1, 2 & 3 across the Atlantic?
Replies: 49
Views: 7493

Re: UAL, DAL & AA, who is # 1, 2 & 3 across the Atlantic?

What about Latin America? Well, they did update all of the 777-200ER and the 787 and A330 are not bad. The 767 is about to be retired anyway. Of course there's the 757 with no PTVs anywhere. All the 77Es are updated already? I don’t think that is the case. AA really needs to get those 787s in so th...

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by mcogator
Tue May 08, 2018 9:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: F9 announces yet more new routes
Replies: 66
Views: 7280

Re: F9 announces yet more new routes

drdisque wrote:
I can see JAX-LAS/MSP/STL working. BUF/MCI/MKE I really don't see where the pax are going to come from.

The Jacksonville Jaguars play at Buffalo and at KC this year. So that covers a couple of days...

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by mcogator
Tue May 08, 2018 12:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: RUMOUR: Etihad going to announce to cancel & defer aircraft.
Replies: 164
Views: 38473

Re: RUMOUR: Etihad going to announce to cancel & defer aircraft.

Well at least Abu Dhabi has the rise of oil prices to help pad their bottom line. At 3 million barrels/day, and about $20/barrel increase in price this year, they can make up that Etihad loss real quickly.

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by mcogator
Wed May 02, 2018 4:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPDATED: AA drops ORD-PEK/PVG, reduces NRT
Replies: 497
Views: 68671

Re: AA drops ORD-PEK

US carriers seem to be having a harder time in China this past year. The promise land of unlimited growth finally seems to be slowing. I think it has much more to do with fares being rock bottom. I can fly from LAX to multiple cities in China TOMORROW for $500, or less, round trip. Heck, even HKG i...

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by mcogator
Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: China Airlines announces TPE-ONT service
Replies: 301
Views: 40126

Re: China Airlines announces TPE-ONT service

There are no convenient airports for the Korean or Japanese communities in L.A. proper, though LAX is the closer of the two airports. Getting out of downtown is a pain almost anytime of the day, except late nights and holidays. That's often overexaggerated. I live downtown off Wilshire. It rarely t...

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by mcogator
Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Orlando to London: Why no flights to Heathrow?
Replies: 68
Views: 9021

Re: Orlando to London: Why no flights to Heathrow?

Genuinely no idea what your point is. Which statement is incorrect? The one when I imagined flying on a more than half empty B744 LGW-MCO last Jan? OKO I am not making myself too clear I guess. I'm really not sure how I can explain it any better. Really? Virgin fly half empty 747s through the winte...

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by mcogator
Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Orlando to London: Why no flights to Heathrow?
Replies: 68
Views: 9021

Re: Orlando to London: Why no flights to Heathrow?

Oh mcogator, load factors stay up because the 2nd and 3rd dailies are taken out for the season and flights are sold at off season prices. Why are you taking that as a crticism? MCO-UK is a seasonal holiday market, not a year round business destination or hub like MIA. It’s hardly anecdotal when win...

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by mcogator
Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Orlando to London: Why no flights to Heathrow?
Replies: 68
Views: 9021

Re: Orlando to London: Why no flights to Heathrow?

The CAA stats for 2017 show this for passenger numbers BFS MCO 9176 BHX MCO 624 BHX SFB 16021 BRS SFB 11458 CWL MCO 1260 EDI SFB 2305 EMA SFB 10908 GLA SFB 21755 GLA MCO 98136 LGW SFB 39862 LGW MCO 826319 MAN SFB 48150 MAN MCO 479902 NCL SFB 23073 STN SFB 3462 STN MCO 28314 11 airports connected to...

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by mcogator
Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Orlando to London: Why no flights to Heathrow?
Replies: 68
Views: 9021

Re: Orlando to London: Why no flights to Heathrow?

Really? Virgin fly half empty 747s through the winter with a tiny business cabin. BA don’t even offer F. GLA and BHX are overwhelmingly seasonal and outside the summer peak, so is MAN. BFS is summer only. It’s like say why don’t BA operate regional to NYC? It’s been covered time and time again. Any...

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by mcogator
Tue Apr 24, 2018 10:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Orlando to London: Why no flights to Heathrow?
Replies: 68
Views: 9021

Re: Orlando to London: Why no flights to Heathrow?

I thought it was because MCO was more of a family vacation destination, and in the London area, LGW is the airport most carriers (VS, BA) use for their leisure flights. Orlando is the number 1 convention/conference city in the US, as ranked by CVent. Las Vegas moved up to #2, past Chicago last year...

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by mcogator
Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:48 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: 9 Dead, rundown by vehicle in Toronto
Replies: 68
Views: 2560

Re: 9 Dead, rundown by vehicle in Toronto

So he is pissed that women turn down his advances. He seems to think that makes him less of a man. Bigly. So he concludes, "In order to punish those women, I'll rent a van and plow down random people." OK. Yeah. Go with that. The world will completely understand your logic (and horniness)...

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by mcogator
Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 4/22/2018:AA Drops MIA-OMA;AS Suspends DTW-PDX; AV Adds BOS-SAL, MCO-GUA/LIM/SAL;B6 +GCM-FLL;UA +ORD-SHD
Replies: 60
Views: 10032

Re: OAG Changes 4/22/2018:AA Drops MIA-OMA;AS Suspends DTW-PDX; AV Adds BOS-SAL, MCO-GUA/LIM/SAL;B6 +GCM-FLL;UA +ORD-SHD

F9 YOY Compare F9 ATL-CVG OCT 0.1>1.0 F9 ATL-MCO SEP 0>1.0 F9 ATL-MIA OCT 0.7>0 Interesting F9 ATL-SJU AUG 0>0.4 SEP 0>0.4 OCT 0>0.4 F9 AUS-IAD SEP 0.6>0.4 OCT 0.9>0.4 F9 AUS-PHL SEP 0.6>0.4 F9 BNA-LAS SEP 0.6>0.4 F9 BNA-MCO SEP 0.6>0.4 OCT 0.9>0.4 F9 CLE-MCO AUG 2>1.4 SEP 2>1.4 OCT 2>1.4 F9 CLE-PD...

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by mcogator
Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Orlando to London: Why no flights to Heathrow?
Replies: 68
Views: 9021

Re: Orlando to London: Why no flights to Heathrow?

BA sells connecting tickets from MCO. I've done MCO-LGW/LHR-PRG on one single ticket. This was a long time ago, 2002, but it is still sold. More recently, my friends did MCO-LGW/LHR-ATH a couple years ago for a wedding.

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by mcogator
Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO
Replies: 71
Views: 11305

Re: Rumor: New DL flights from MCO

I'm still on the DL MCO-EZE train. There is a local market, plus DL can market one of their LAX-MCO flights as a 1 stop LAX-EZE to compete with AA's new NS to EZE. I'm sure the O&D on ATL-EZE is quite a small percentage of those traveling, and maybe shifting 3x/weekly flights to MCO could work. ...

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by mcogator
Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Int'l Carrier Load Factors at Top 30 U.S. Airports
Replies: 43
Views: 7156

Re: Int'l Carrier Load Factors at Top 30 U.S. Airports

Since the airlines are sending in the data is it possible that they could be sending in false numbers to make the LFs look better than they really are? I would think opposite. They would send in false numbers to make the LF look worse, to discourage competition. Carriers don't want to file false re...

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by mcogator
Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Orlando air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 232
Views: 18288

Re: Orlando air service discussion - 2018

Just received this press release in my inbox. https://orlandoairports.net/press/2018/04/18/orlando-international-airport-will-be-first-to-utilize-biometrics-to-expedite-international-travel/ At today’s April meeting, the Greater Orlando Aviation Authority (GOAA) Board voted to position Orlando Inter...

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by mcogator
Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Orlando air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 232
Views: 18288

Re: Orlando air service discussion - 2018

I would like to add that Clear is pretty pointless at MCO. When I use it at LAX, they let you in at the front of the line. At MCO, you only skip the outside queue, but still have to wait through most of the line. I've done LAX-MCO-LAX on DL 4 times so far this year, and its night and day between the...

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by mcogator
Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Int'l Carrier Load Factors at Top 30 U.S. Airports
Replies: 43
Views: 7156

Re: Int'l Carrier Load Factors at Top 30 U.S. Airports

dfwjim1 wrote:
Since the airlines are sending in the data is it possible that they could be sending in false numbers to make the LFs look better than they really are?

I would think opposite. They would send in false numbers to make the LF look worse, to discourage competition.

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by mcogator
Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Tim Clark: A380's advantages over twinjets still 'enormous'
Replies: 211
Views: 27198

Re: Tim Clark: A380's advantages over twinjets still 'enormous'

I don't care what anyone says. The A380 is the best plane I've flown on, space, smooth and comfortable, I'm talking about economy... where it matters and where most of us fly. I agree, as a passenger the A380 is so much nicer to fly in compared to other aircraft.... Yeah right- you still get the sa...

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by mcogator
Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LA City Council Approves People Mover for LAX
Replies: 60
Views: 7232

Re: LA City Council Approves People Mover for LAX

You need a proper transit system for people of means to take mass transit. Otherwise, they'll pretend their Tesla can drive and listen to tunes while "driving" that parking lot of a 405... The transit system needs to be reliable, time-competitive, and convenient. Who's going to take trans...

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by mcogator
Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Inaugural DL MCO-AMS March 30, 2018
Replies: 51
Views: 9310

Re: Inaugural DL MCO-AMS March 30, 2018

Just walked by the jam packed gate and did a double take when I saw Amsterdam. Not used to seeing that in the DL gate area. Looks very healthy so far, with a large contingent of older(retirees) waiting to board.

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by mcogator
Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Inaugural DL MCO-AMS March 30, 2018
Replies: 51
Views: 9310

Re: Inaugural DL MCO-AMS March 30, 2018

Interesting to note that DELTA has changed the B767 schedule for this flight since its initial announcement in August 2017. The flight was to be operated from AMS with the B767 rotated via JFK, SEA, SLC or BOS, but today it is operated from MCO and rotated with MCO-GRU: August 2017 - launch schedul...

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by mcogator
Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Need help IDing a 4-engined jet at LAX today (3/28)
Replies: 35
Views: 7692

Re: Need help IDing a 4-engined jet at LAX today (3/28)

Under the left wing of the UAE B744, you can see the upper deck of A7-HBJ. You can see the two stripes of gray under the forward three windows and the upper deck door and a little bit of the gray that across the lower fuse. The cockpit windows are unmistakably those of a 747. Your pic actually conf...

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by mcogator
Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Need help IDing a 4-engined jet at LAX today (3/28)
Replies: 35
Views: 7692

Re: Need help IDing a 4-engined jet at LAX today (3/28)

Mcogator, that's the Qatari B748BBJ, A7-HBJ That does not seems like the Qatari B748BBJ The Qatari A7-HBJ is this https://img.planespotters.net/photo/758000/original/a7-hbj-qatar-amiri-flight-boeing-747-8kbbbj_PlanespottersNet_758822_03951b0ae1.jpg Under the left wing of the UAE B744, you can see t...

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by mcogator
Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Need help IDing a 4-engined jet at LAX today (3/28)
Replies: 35
Views: 7692

Re: Need help IDing a 4-engined jet at LAX today (3/28)

You can see it here behind the Emirates private 744. I took this on the 26th.

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by mcogator
Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Inaugural DL MCO-AMS March 30, 2018
Replies: 51
Views: 9310

Re: Inaugural DL MCO-AMS March 30, 2018

DL has really re-built their presence at MCO, though using a very different strategy than the P2P and regional routes of the past. It's impressive that they've been able to go toe-to-toe with B6 in the NYC market, and have come back to make a push in BOS. GRU along with AMS could be the start of a ...

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by mcogator
Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Inaugural DL MCO-AMS March 30, 2018
Replies: 51
Views: 9310

Inaugural DL MCO-AMS March 30, 2018

MCO resumes service to AMS for the first time since Martinair left in 2011. It is to be operated by a 763er with 225 seats. MCO 1927 AMS 1040 AMS 1440 MCO 1921 What flight is the 763er coming from, as obviously with the timing they will be rotating frames. Ticket prices look very strong for the firs...

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by mcogator
Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:58 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: What to expect on DL's HKG-SEA-HKG service? What aircraft?
Replies: 20
Views: 2194

Re: What to expect on DL's HKG-SEA-HKG service? What aircraft?

davescj wrote:
Some (very few) DL long haul were getting PJs at one time if in the One cabin. Don't know if they are still doing that or not.

I received a pair on PVG-LAX in February.

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by mcogator
Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: China Eastern FA's Caught on Video Orgy
Replies: 50
Views: 13368

Re: China Eastern FA's Caught on Video Orgy

If this were FAs from a US airline, it'd end up on the GILF section of pornhub... :duck: Having worked in the industry 97-2002 I can say you are 100% correct. I’ve partied like there’s no tomorrow with flight crews up until a few hours before wheels up. I’ve never pulled as much tail in my life tha...

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by mcogator
Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Beijing new airport thread (construction developments & discussions)
Replies: 85
Views: 16351

Re: Beijing new airport thread (construction developments & discussions)

CAPA has a recent noteworthy article titled "Tokyo Haneda Airport to become Asia's #1, overtaking Beijing Capital, as international grows" It predicts that HND would most likely overtake PEK as Asia's No. 1 hub airport in 2020 due to the former's strong growth in the wake of Tokyo summer ...

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by mcogator
Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Capacity to return to Brazil?
Replies: 22
Views: 2617

Capacity to return to Brazil?

According to the MCO news department, Brazil is bouncing back and their economy is growing now. The article might be Orlando centric, but it's safe to assume that the majority of markets should increase as well. Are there many new routes planned, and/or a resumption of cut frequencies/routes/capacit...

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by mcogator
Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:44 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airports with most 747 service
Replies: 35
Views: 3325

Re: Airports with most 747 service

Jfk probably has more than that. LH had a 748 there when I was there a few weeks ago. I doubt it considering that the only other airlines that fly to JFK that have 744's are KL, KE, and VS, none of which have operated the 747 to JFK with any sort of frequency as of late. LH and BA are the exception...

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by mcogator
Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest sued for removing Arabic speaking passenger
Replies: 60
Views: 6417

Re: Southwest sued for removing Arabic speaking passenger

Arabic has a certain set of linguistic features that make it easy to distinguish from other languages. Examples of this are frequent glottal stops and the preposition "al-", which is visible in English words like algebra and alcohol. I speak three languages, all Latin based, but I don't f...

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by mcogator
Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A350-1000 Customer Orders and Routes
Replies: 38
Views: 7248

Re: A350-1000 Customer Orders and Routes

VS are replacing 747’s and LGW and MAN bases + GLA & BFS w patterns. They will be doing the MCO and LAS from both. BGI, and other Caribbean from LGW, and possibly depending on how the A332’s help build the MAN base, on the more established USA routes like ATL SFO and maybe BOS, plus whatever th...

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by mcogator
Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Possible new routes for EL AL Airlines
Replies: 52
Views: 6170

Re: Possible new routes for EL AL Airlines

There are 1.6 million Arabs in Israel and 2.8 million in the West Bank. Not including the 1.8 million in Gaza, that's 4.4 million Arabs in the area. I'm not sure if the majority flies El Al or not, but that is a large amount of ppl in the area that need to be served too. yeah but the Arabs there ar...

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