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by steex
Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 4/16/2017: AA Adds CLT-SHV/TOL; DL Cuts SLC-GCC
Replies: 88
Views: 10957

Re: OAG Changes 4/16/2017: AA Adds CLT-SHV/TOL; DL Cuts SLC-GCC

Shows up under both codes, apparently *AS DAL-LGA SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>4 DEC 0>4 *AS PDX-DAL SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 *AS SEA-DAL SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 *VX DAL-LAS AUG 1.2>0.8 SEP 1.2>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 *VX DAL-SEA SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1...

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by steex
Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS adds DAL-SEA/PDX/SJC/SAN
Replies: 124
Views: 12721

Re: AS adds DAL-SEA/PDX/SJC/SAN

Is that not 19 flights then, rather then the 18 they said? 2 SEA 3 SFO 3 LAX 4 LGA 4 DCA 1 PDX 1 SJC 1 SAN Per the announcement, DCA is scheduled to be only 3x daily, not 4x daily. I believe AS is still in the process of updating inventory as they are currently showing almost identically timed serv...

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by steex
Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS adds DAL-SEA/PDX/SJC/SAN
Replies: 124
Views: 12721

Re: AS adds DAL-SEA/PDX/SJC/SAN

AS 3360 SEA 09:45 DAL 15:45 E75 VX 1770 SEA 13:28 DAL 19:43 320 VX 1765 DAL 10:15 SEA 12:43 320 AS 3379 DAL 15:39 SEA 17:54 E75 It looks like that second daily A320 SEA service ends in November. So all the new cities will be once daily, with 3x daily service to LAX and SFO, and 4x daily service to ...

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by steex
Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS adds DAL-SEA/PDX/SJC/SAN
Replies: 124
Views: 12721

Re: AS adds DAL-SEA/PDX/SJC/SAN

With the exception of SJC, exactly as I predicted. The big question is where are the DCA/LGA slots going????? Popcorn with butter please... The PR is clear that they are staying, moving to E175s. Most of this new DAL flying is E75, so I guess that could make sense as a bridge. AS 3360 SEA 09:45 DAL...

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by steex
Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL adding SEA-ORD
Replies: 97
Views: 10726

Re: DL adding SEA-ORD

Just another move as they continue to divert more traffic away from connecting at the Detroit hub when traveling to Asia in favor of flowing it over Seattle. It's a shame they have to take traffic away from one hub to make another work. Why is that every time a DL route opens up at SEA, people thin...

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by steex
Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta considers future of struggling refinery business
Replies: 23
Views: 3736

Re: Delta considers future of struggling refinery business

It was always a head scratcher move to get in the oil business. With the refinery segment struggling, the question is how long will DL be willing to subsidize losses versus any impact jet fuel prices the plant might have. Not a head-scratcher. They did it to lower the crack spread. It did. There's ...

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by steex
Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alaska to announce new Bay Area routes
Replies: 160
Views: 14427

Re: Alaska to announce new SJC routes

Weird to me LAX-SJC is not mainline... There is a lot of competition on that route. By my count, there are 11 WN flights today, 8 DL/Connection flights, and 5 AA Eagle flights, to say nothing of the dozens upon dozens of other LA Basin-SF Bay Area flights. 4x E75s is a good way to offer frequency w...

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by steex
Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why no US carriers at IST?
Replies: 26
Views: 6101

Re: Why no US carriers at IST?

irishpower wrote:
I think it's the business airport without a US carrier offering direct passenger service.


Assuming you're going by passenger statistics, then DXB is easily the busiest airport with no US carriers offering direct service.

As for why IST has no US carrier service, THY748i pretty well summed it up.

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by steex
Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SJC news
Replies: 27
Views: 3082

Re: SJC news

phllax wrote:
AS quietly announced SJC-BUR today.


FYI, AS announced this service back in May. It begins March 16.

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by steex
Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: STL spotter question
Replies: 12
Views: 1166

Re: STL spotter question

Back in the early 80s when I was a kid my dad took me to STL to a parking lot near Lingbergh Blvd and Missouri Bottom Road. I think this is the location though today according to Google Maps its a grassy field. Do any of the local STL spotters remember a parking lot at the corner of the intersectio...

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by steex
Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta TPAC Future
Replies: 54
Views: 8777

Re: Delta TPAC Future

Personally, given the market and competitive dynamics involved, I still think the most likely outcome is Delta's daily 767 being replaced with one of the Japanese carriers' 787s. Beyond that, I agree that ICN is the next most likely Asian gateway. Considering that both have codesharing relationship...

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by steex
Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL SEA Domestic Expansion (again)
Replies: 194
Views: 29853

Re: DL SEA Domestic Expansion (again)

Any chance of IAD or (long-shot) DCA? Re DCA: they would have to reallocate a current beyond-perimeter slot (that is able to be reallocated) from SLC to add SEA-DCA. I am not sure they would want to do that given SLC is a hub. They've actually already reallocated that slot pair to new LAX service b...

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by steex
Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL SEA Domestic Expansion (again)
Replies: 194
Views: 29853

Re: DL SEA Domestic Expansion (again)

n7371f wrote:
No international additions although DL would like to add 1-2 but because the airport is stuffed, won't do it.


Not intending to be snarky or question your knowledge, but this sounds exactly like the kind of PR spin I'd use if I didn't want to add any international flights.

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by steex
Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN Summer Schedule Due Out Thursday, 1/05/17
Replies: 175
Views: 15746

Re: WN Summer Schedule Due Out Thursday, 1/05/17

So far, I see FIVE new routes out of SAN on this release: EWR, IND, SLC, BOI and GEG! Amazing! I'm pretty sure that's the most new flights/routes announced at any one time for SAN. Talk about California Luv!!!! All new routes appear to be served once daily, and I haven't finished counting yet, but ...

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by steex
Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cathay Pacific and Hainan Considering Miami
Replies: 74
Views: 9013

Re: Cathay Pacific and Hainan Considering Miami

Exactly. Just like MAH4546 said: "Miami-Vancouver does happen to be the single largest U.S.-Canada market without a non-stop." Plus, CX has already established itself as being more than just a HKG carrier on the YVR end with long-running YVR-JFK service. The number of Hong Kongers in Vanc...

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by steex
Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN Summer Schedule Due Out Thursday, 1/05/17
Replies: 175
Views: 15746

Re: WN Summer Schedule Due Out Thursday, 1/05/17

I would like to ask how one knows the date when the future schedule will be released? I've never seen it on their website. Announced during an earnings call? I usually see it on Facebook. I always find it interesting how there's always talk about WNs next schedule but not much about any other airli...

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by steex
Sun Jan 01, 2017 7:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 1/6/2017: DL/SU/SY
Replies: 30
Views: 6234

Re: OAG Changes 1/6/2017: DL/SU/SY

All those 3E with STL have been going on for years. I don't know where you got 0 flights from in the past. Also DL STL-DTW still shows 5 flights a day in July and August on their site for booking. So I'm not sure where that number came either. Thanks He pulls it straight from OAG. If that is the ca...

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by steex
Sun Jan 01, 2017 6:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates expansion plans in Bangladesh
Replies: 30
Views: 5840

Re: Emirates expansion plans in Bangladesh

Can any Bangladeshi airport handle an A380? Dhaka can handle B747. Are there chances that Emirates will apply for a 5th freedom A380 route like Dhaka-Kolkata-Dubai? Runway is long enough for an A380, but there are no gates, and no idea about taxiway capabilities etc. I would say there is zero chanc...

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by steex
Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flights that depart in 2017 and arrive in 2016
Replies: 24
Views: 6595

Re: Flights that depart in 2017 and arrive in 2016

Wait! I thought you would have to be traveling west (and not east) to be able to gain time. Most examples given here are traveling east and are for arriving a day or two later rather than a day earlier as the OP seems to be asking! Am I reading it wrong? This beer is great :champagne: Transpacific ...

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by steex
Sat Dec 31, 2016 6:32 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Flight number 1:
Replies: 39
Views: 3237

Re: Flight number 1:

How about which airports serve the most flights 1&2... must be either JFK or LHR... SFO has four: UA SFO-SIN, SQ SFO-HKG-SIN, JL SFO-HND & VX SFO- DCA... This may not be an exhaustive list, but I'm seeing at least 8 applicable flights at LHR (9 depending on your feelings about the caveat be...

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by steex
Sat Dec 31, 2016 3:56 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Flight number 1:
Replies: 39
Views: 3237

Re: Flight number 1:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL1 why Singapore? I could dig Beijing, and definitely Tokyo, but why not SFO-JFK? The most obvious answer is that UA doesn't fly to JFK at all, so that's out. I guess they could apply it to SFO-EWR, but that doesn't seem nearly as prestigious or exotic as SFO-SI...

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by steex
Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA ORD plans and focus on domestic business
Replies: 61
Views: 11078

Re: UA ORD plans

Look at the number of cities where they had no 737s ex-IAH and yet AA was all mainline to DFW. I know you know this, Cubsrule, but STL was a great example in the late-00s. CO was an exclusively ERJ operation to all 3 of CLE, EWR, and IAH for many years, and there was even a period where UA went dow...

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by steex
Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS Adds SFO-MCO/MSP/SNA, Seems Committed to DCA/LGA
Replies: 114
Views: 11764

Re: AS Adds SFO-MCO/MSP/SNA, Seems Committed to DCA/LGA

flyfresno wrote:
SJC and OAK would also be interesting adds.


For what it's worth, AS is already flying SJC-SNA with 3x E75. AS added SJC-SNA and SJC-SAN around the same time earlier this year, and SJC-BUR comes online in March.

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by steex
Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A320 US Transcon Fuel Stops
Replies: 86
Views: 13077

Re: A320 US Transcon Fuel Stops

I didn't see any fuel stops on JetBlue this week. Do you know which flights? Virgin is stopping about 25% of the time westbound on the SFO flights with the A320. B6 isn't stopping as much from what I can tell, but I've at least seen stops on the following (not a comprehensive list): B6 161 JFK-SMF ...

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by steex
Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A320 US Transcon Fuel Stops
Replies: 86
Views: 13077

Re: A320 US Transcon Fuel Stops

Newbiepilot wrote:
JetBlue with A320s and A321s is not stopping for fuel.


JetBlue has had several refueling stops on westbound transcons in the past few weeks. I've seen a few examples of flights bound for northern California dropping into SLC or DEN.

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by steex
Wed Dec 14, 2016 6:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS Adds SFO-MCO/MSP/SNA, Seems Committed to DCA/LGA
Replies: 114
Views: 11764

Re: AS Adds SFO-MCO/MSP/SNA, Seems Committed to DCA/LGA

Well that dot is nowhere near where Gunnison is. One would think in this day and age, accuracy would be enhanced. But I get proven wrong with each map I see or news story I read lol. I realized after the fact that I connected the wrong dots; it is indeed HDN and is for the upcoming OO service on SA...

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by steex
Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS Adds SFO-MCO/MSP/SNA, Seems Committed to DCA/LGA
Replies: 114
Views: 11764

Re: AS Adds SFO-MCO/MSP/SNA, Seems Committed to DCA/LGA

http://www.differentworks.com/#routemap Scroll down 1 page to see the combined route map. Thanks for the link -- nice map. But I had to chuckle at one thing: The "Salt Lake City" label looks like it is referencing HDN airport in Colorado. The correct location of SLC is behind the last &qu...

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by steex
Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: Emirates to start Phoenix and Buffalo
Replies: 59
Views: 10441

Re: Rumor: Emirates to start Phoenix and Buffalo

BUF? Why wouldn't they just serve DTW by the same reasoning + inherently stronger market to the ME and India? If EK were going to make such a move, it would not just generally be to serve "Canada," but rather to serve the Golden Horseshoe (Toronto area) specifically. That is significantly...

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by steex
Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alaska Air to Korea or Japan?
Replies: 48
Views: 6132

Re: Alaska Air to Korea or Japan?

Does the 73GMAX have the range to fly ANC-HND? Of course the route leads over a large area that hardly has any airports so it would have to be ETOPS certified. This requires modifications to the aircraft because the 737 is not ETOPS certified by default. There are plenty of reasons to he skeptical ...

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by steex
Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Where do DL's 744s fly to these days?
Replies: 24
Views: 5442

Re: Where do DL's 744s fly to these days?

wenders825 wrote:
they used to fly DTW-NGO-MNL until recently when that route switched, yes?


The route was generally a 744 over the course of its life, it was switched to the existing DTW-NGO terminator on the 332 about two years ago.

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by steex
Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Where? (Frontier CV580, 1969)
Replies: 20
Views: 1923

Re: Where? (Frontier CV580, 1969)

aviationjunky wrote:
If you look at the front of the Humble truck, it looks like it says Florida in red letters. The background doesn't give off a Florida vibe though.


I believe that says "FLAMMABLE," not Florida.

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by steex
Sun Oct 23, 2016 7:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 10/28/2016: DL Adds RDU-AUS/AA/F9/Cuba Cutbacks Continue
Replies: 23
Views: 4798

Re: OAG Changes 10/28/2016: DL Adds RDU-AUS/AA/F9/Cuba Cutbacks Continue

enilria wrote:
Cut back already...Silver was first to scale back initial Cuba service.
*B6 FLL-HOG NOV 0.7>0.4 DEC 1.0>0.6


I realize HAV and non-HAV offerings are not created equal, but B6 isn't exactly helping their attempted action against AS for their delayed startup of LAX-HAV.

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by steex
Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Norwegian and lack of Russian overflight rights
Replies: 12
Views: 2638

Re: Norwegian and lack of Russian overflight rights

I have no doubt that DY will begin adding flights from places like BCN, CDG, FCO, and MAD to places like BKK/HKG/SGN/SIN with them being a lower latitude and avoiding Russian airspace... Others maybe, but HKG isn't that feasible at all. Take ARN-HKG. If you avoid both Ukrainian and Russian airspace...

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by steex
Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Eagle Flight 4693: Why the strange routing?
Replies: 12
Views: 3145

Re: American Eagle Flight 4693: Why the strange routing?

Hello All, I've seen this several times and now I'm seeing it again. The American Eagle flight 4693 (EGF4693) from Miami to Barranquilla and back regularly flies all the way to Aruba to turn right over Aruba and fly towards Barranquilla. Why do they follow this strange routing and not fly directly ...

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by steex
Fri Sep 23, 2016 6:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Westjet and Delta
Replies: 38
Views: 6101

Re: Westjet and Delta

Consider all the flights with Delta flight numbers for which passengers can buy tickets from Delta. Then subtract all of the flights operated by GOL, Hawaiian, Jet, Virgin Atlantic, Virgin Australia, Aeroflot, Aerolinas Argentinas, Aeromexico, Air Europa, Air France, Alitalia, China, China Eastern,...

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by steex
Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Remote pax loading coming to SFO
Replies: 67
Views: 12478

Re: Remote pax loading coming to SFO

It is actually very cold in the morning at SFO no matter the season and the wind blows on some days. It rains during the winter. I live here, too. By the standards of people in much of the world (I come from Chicago, for example), SFO is absolutely not cold in the morning. Of course it occasionally...

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by steex
Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Remote pax loading coming to SFO
Replies: 67
Views: 12478

Re: Remote pax loading coming to SFO

hayzel777 wrote:
Not a good thing when it rains/super windy/super cold.


None of which are issues very often at SFO...

At the end of the day, I think most people would prefer service expansions with remote boarding over restricting travel options due to gate limitations.

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by steex
Fri Sep 16, 2016 12:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Question about United SFO-SIN flights
Replies: 4
Views: 1610

Re: Question about United SFO-SIN flights

1) How can the flight theoretically be daily when when SFO-SIN could depart on the 14th, arrives SIN on the 15th, and arrive back at SFO on the 16th? It seems like it takes off on the 14th, and comes back two days later on the 16th. Many routes operate this way, and it just requires more aircraft t...

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by steex
Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Crankyflier: UA has already dehubbed LAX
Replies: 39
Views: 8565

Re: Crankyflier: UA has already dehubbed LAX

The article loses me at: At the same time, it has eliminated 22 nonstop destinations from LAX while adding 11. That is obviously only one metric, but it certainly does suggest LAX is a hub whose role is changing for UA. If you look around the industry at hubs that have been closed , though, you do N...

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by steex
Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA To Start ORD/EWR-SJC
Replies: 37
Views: 4734

Re: UA To Start ORD/EWR-SJC

Looks like service begins on both routes 09MAR17, with the first full day of operation being 10MAR17 once the RON aircraft are in place. Not surprisingly, this puts UA's EWR start a few days ahead of AS's and the schedule is absolutely identical (same arrival and departure times in both directions)....

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by steex
Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND
Replies: 63
Views: 7224

Re: AS Announces SEA-ICT/IND

All Boeing Employees wouldn't like to fly on an EMB 175. They rather be flying Boeing 737. ICT have Boeing plants there. LOL! AS did not good choice aircraft equipment on that route SEA-ICT. Q The Boeing employees that would drive yield would like to fly nonstop on an E75 rather than connecting. Pi...

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by steex
Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How did MSP take a backseat to DTW after the NW merger?
Replies: 42
Views: 6089

Re: How did MSP take a backseat to DTW after the NW merger?

I don't have numbers off-hand, but keep in mind MSP and DTW were neck and neck in the NW days as well (which they more or less continue to be now). MSP was not a clearly larger hub than DTW despite being the NW HQ.

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by steex
Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: When will the airlines FINALLY show some love for MKE??
Replies: 62
Views: 6342

Re: When will the airlines FINALLY show some love for MKE??

They are not artificially dampening demand. They have the same problem as Tucson vs Phoenix. Tucson tends to have smaller planes, has lower loads & fewer flights as well. If MKE had the volume they would have larger aircraft & more flights. The airlines are finally making money, they are no...

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by steex
Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN August 4 schedule release predictions.
Replies: 176
Views: 18345

Re: WN August 4 schedule release predictions.

wnflyguy wrote:
STL-ISP
STL-RIC
STL-PWM


I can't see any chance of these markets happening. Any east coast market where WN hasn't seen an opportunity for year-round MDW service is not ripe for STL barring some specific ties, which none of these have.

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by steex
Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 7/29/2016:F9 SAN-MCO,NK Big Reshuffle,UA New Routes,WN
Replies: 69
Views: 9155

Re: OAG Changes 7/29/2016:F9 SAN-MCO,NK Big Reshuffle,UA New Routes,WN

I am surprised on the timing, though, since there will be no Asia connectivity on the westbound leg. MIA arrives at SFO at 2142, and thus only connects to SYD. It will also connect with the new SIN flight, providing what I believe will be the only same carrier one-stop service between MIA and SIN. ...

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by steex
Tue Jul 05, 2016 5:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Intrastate mainline routes
Replies: 28
Views: 3076

Re: Intrastate mainline routes

adamblang wrote:
LAX-OAK: DL, NK
LAX-SJC: DL
LAX-SMF: DL


You can add WN to all these as well.

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by steex
Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?
Replies: 52
Views: 8958

Re: biggest airport all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

UKB (Kobe, Japan) has 4 airlines who all fly Boeing, had 2,532,869 pax in 2015. SZB (Kuala Lumpur) has 2 scheduled airlines, Firefly & Malindo, and both only fly ATR 72 from there. 3,059,144 pax in 2015.[/color] Both good catches. I thought of SZB, but wasn't 100% sure of the fleet mix there. I...

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by steex
Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?
Replies: 52
Views: 8958

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

mozart wrote:
Airports which see Boeing but no Airbus or vice-versa, alongside some commuter planes: many more. For instance Trondheim in Norway is all 737, no Airbus


Actually, Wizzair flies into Trondheim, and they have an all-Airbus fleet.

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by steex
Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?
Replies: 52
Views: 8958

Re: biggest airport all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Yflyer wrote:
And like someone already mentioned there are probably some airports in Europe that are only served by Ryanair, so that's probably the best bet for all-Boeing airports.


I don't know what the largest such airport would be, but WMI (Warsaw-Modlin) comes to mind as a Ryanair-only airport.

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by steex
Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?
Replies: 52
Views: 8958

Re: What's the biggest airport that is either all-Boeing or all-Airbus?

Neither Boeing nor Airbus, but YTZ (Toronto Billy Bishop) is a fairly busy airport and has all scheduled commercial flights operated not only by one manufacturer (Bombardier), but by one type (Q400). I believe YTZ sees something like 2.5 million pax per year.

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