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by Sydscott
Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2017
Replies: 307
Views: 28510

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2017

Not 100% sure how SWZ would be handled int he bilaterals. Does Sydney cover just SYD or SYD+SWZ? Sydney covers all of Sydney. It's not airport specific the same as Melbourne covers both Tullamarine and Avalon. So, for example, CX couldn't launch additional service to Avalon to increase its frequenc...

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by Sydscott
Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2017
Replies: 307
Views: 28510

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2017

Borghetti has been given a pay rise, up $2.35 million from 2016 http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/virgin-chief-john-borghettis-pay-takes-off-after-getting-cash-under-control-20170920-gylcha.html After all the billions that have been pumped into VA, and the lack of performance thus far, I don'...

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by Sydscott
Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2017
Replies: 307
Views: 28510

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2017

Having a spur rail like you suggest is gong to cater for a very limited number of people. Under your scenario, the majority of them are going to get in their cars. Its going to also cost a substantial amount to do so. We might agree to disagree here i think. The spur would only be for the HSR line ...

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by Sydscott
Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2017
Replies: 307
Views: 28510

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2017

4. Develop Badgerys Creek as the replacement to SYD on expiry of the Airport Lease. So short term Badgerys should be acting as an LCC and Freight Hub with the associated infrastructure being built, ie freight rail lines, semi-trailer depo's etc. Medium to long term the airport should be developed t...

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by Sydscott
Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2017
Replies: 307
Views: 28510

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2017

If I was the prince of the city, I would forcibly reclaim the existing land around SYD and build a few new runways. Since I live in the inner city, SYD is a perfect location compared with Badgery's Creek for me. As for the curfew and those living under the runway, who cares I'm the Prince and any d...

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by Sydscott
Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2017
Replies: 307
Views: 28510

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2017

What if they bought a house under the flight path of the parallel runway before it was built? V/F Then you are most likely dead or bought a house at 15 years old, 16R/34L was built in 1949. Indeed it was. I was however referring to 16L/34R which was approved in 1989 and completed in 1994, and which...

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by Sydscott
Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2017
Replies: 307
Views: 28510

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2017

JQ TSV-DPS flights not performing up to expectations- no surprise given the current economic conditions in TSV. JQ threatening to cut the route early next year- suspect looking for a local govt. subsidy, but doubt that would past the pub test in present environment. As well as the TSV economy being...

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by Sydscott
Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2017
Replies: 307
Views: 28510

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2017

I'm not surprised. UA would have a good knowledge of how NZ is doing on IAH-AKL and reasonable knowledge of QF's DFW service. IAH is the only key business market for QF that it doesn't serve and probably never will due to the UA hub so for UA to jump in makes complete sense to me. Moreso given what...

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by Sydscott
Fri Sep 08, 2017 6:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2017
Replies: 307
Views: 28510

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2017

UA to start IAH-SYD from 18 Jan 18, first SYD departure 20 Jan UA101 IAH2000-630+2SYD 789 D UA100 SYD1150-1035IAH 789 D http://newsroom.united.com/2017-09-07-United-Airlines-Strengthens-Commitment-to-Houston-with-Nonstop-Service-Between-Houston-and-Sydney Stunned by this one! As I posted in the oth...

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by Sydscott
Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2017
Replies: 307
Views: 28510

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2017

Anyone who doesn't don't know that coast really should spend some time there. mariner Completely agree! I also expect Exmouth/Coral Bay and Ningaloo Reef will be pushed as another destination for overseas visitors Especially during Peak Whale Shark Season. I'd imagine it could become an evern bigge...

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by Sydscott
Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2017
Replies: 307
Views: 28510

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2017

QF considering offering discounted airfares to WA regional centres for those visitors from London https://thewest.com.au/news/tourism/qantas-may-offer-discounted-tickets-to-wa-tourist-hotspots-for-london-visitors-ng-b88582740z Aside from Broome, I cant see any other "regional tourist destinati...

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by Sydscott
Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2017
Replies: 307
Views: 28510

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2017

The A330 freed up from changes to SIN will be deployed on a new Asian destination It will also free up an Airbus A330 aircraft to fly to a new Asian destination. http://www.airlineratings.com/news/qantas-london-flights-return-singapore-new-emirates-deal/ QF resuming ADL-SIN has apparently been rule...

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by Sydscott
Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2017
Replies: 307
Views: 28510

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2017

The problem is that you can't make QF51/52 line up with QF1/2 both ways without a ~5hour layover. However, given PER flights won't line up either way (without a dreadful 3am arrival in PER) and they will have direct flights, you could adjust the SIN-PER flight to being an overnight, thus allowing: ...

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by Sydscott
Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: QF changes SYD-DXB-LHR back to SYD-SIN-LHR from 25th March 2018
Replies: 125
Views: 19058

Re: QF changes SYD-DXB-LHR back to SYD-SIN-LHR from April 2018

QF5/6 has been axed. QF81/82 remains although QF82 will leave an hour later than it currently does QF1 will depart SYD at 1550 and will arrive at LHR 655 the next day QF2 will depart LHR 2135 and in arrive in SYD 510 2 days later I was wondering when we would see SIN-LHR return. There is only so mu...

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by Sydscott
Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Starting PHL-BUD/PRG; ORD-VCE; Move JFK-ZRH to PHL
Replies: 320
Views: 35704

Re: AA Starting PHL-BUD/PRG; ORD-VCE; Move JFK-ZRH to PHL

I will just repeat what I have been sharing here for years, that CLT and PHL are both excellent businesses, DCA is excellent, and New York is a flimsy business.. It's just not that important. AA does not "wish it were the leader of New York;" their actions suggest the opposite. You wouldn...

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by Sydscott
Mon Aug 28, 2017 7:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas to announce ambitious plan to fly East Coast Australia to London and New York by 2022
Replies: 321
Views: 38565

Re: Qantas to announce ambitious plan to fly East Coast Australia to London and New York by 2022

JFK and ORD will happen nonstop in some form. Outside if that, only OneWorld hubs make sense, and CLT, MIA, PHL, and PHX seem like a stretch. the challenge of QF is that it needs to fly to where Australian business want to fly. That narrows it down to the worlds major financial centres. Beyond that...

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by Sydscott
Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air New Zealand announces $382 million net profit for 2016/2017
Replies: 5
Views: 1148

Re: Air New Zealand announces $382 million net profit for 2016/2017

Air New Zealand has announced a net profit of $382 million, a decline of 17.5% on the previous year due to increased competition in the NZ market Total revenue fell 2.2% to $5.15 billion Over the coming year NZ plans to grow trans tasman traffic by 5%, long haul 3-5% and domestic by 4-6% http://aus...

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by Sydscott
Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas to convert remaining A380 order to A350-900ULR (rumor)
Replies: 144
Views: 25222

Re: Qantas to convert remaining A380 order to A350-900ULR (rumor)

The following source reports that Qantas executives are apparantly talking with Airbus about converting the 8 postponed A380 to A350-900ULR's. (https://www.ausbt.com.au/community/view/42/6251/qantas-to-convert-remaining-a380-orders-to-a350-900ulr) Thoughts on this? I thought the 777-8 would have th...

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by Sydscott
Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas to convert remaining A380 order to A350-900ULR (rumor)
Replies: 144
Views: 25222

Re: Qantas to convert remaining A380 order to A350-900ULR (rumor)

Qantas Group CEO Alan Joyce has suggested his airline’s order for the Airbus A380, A330 and Boeing 747-400ER placed in 2000 was, in hindsight, a mistake. “It is great to be able to say I wish I could get in a time machine and go back to 2000 and [change] the fleet order [made by] not the last CEO, ...

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by Sydscott
Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas to convert remaining A380 order to A350-900ULR (rumor)
Replies: 144
Views: 25222

Re: Qantas to convert remaining A380 order to A350-900ULR (rumor)

It's not a done deal and I'm sure QF management are not foolish enough to repeat ground hog day. AJ has come out already clearly stating the A380 was the wrong aircraft. EK413 Where did he say that? I get that QF isn't running for more A380s, but I didn't think he'd said that. Qantas Group CEO Alan...

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by Sydscott
Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Starting PHL-BUD/PRG; ORD-VCE; Move JFK-ZRH to PHL
Replies: 320
Views: 35704

Re: AA starting service PHL-BUD/PRG move JFK-ZRH to PHL

In some ways they seem to be pursuing the LUS strategy of breadth of network vs density of markets with places like ROA vs being competitive in larger markets & giving the guys a run for their money.. take CLE for example, NYC to CLE on UA has 14x nonstops on Friday, 9x on DL and 4X on AA ( all...

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by Sydscott
Fri Aug 18, 2017 2:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Starting PHL-BUD/PRG; ORD-VCE; Move JFK-ZRH to PHL
Replies: 320
Views: 35704

Re: AA starting service PHL-BUD/PRG move JFK-ZRH to PHL

[quote="HPAEAA"] if the future is only the fortress hub model like LUS had then they'll quickly be slipping behind Delta and possibly UA (if they get their act figured out) quote] PMAA had the exact same strategy but called it the "cornerstone" strategy. NYC was one of those corn...

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by Sydscott
Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Starting PHL-BUD/PRG; ORD-VCE; Move JFK-ZRH to PHL
Replies: 320
Views: 35704

Re: AA starting service PHL-BUD/PRG move JFK-ZRH to PHL

US had the LARGEST and BEST SLOT portfolio and TERMINAL in the most coveted business airport in the country (perhaps the world) That was how much Dougie thought of NYC. And he couldn't make money on it so rather than try he swapped the slots for DCA slots that, by all accounts, does make a signific...

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by Sydscott
Tue Aug 15, 2017 11:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Applies For LAX-PEK
Replies: 636
Views: 103676

Re: AA Applies For LAX-PEK

And when coupled with the fact that AA will shortly be on parity with its closest U.S. rival in terms of frequencies into China, and layered on top of an extensive partnership with Cathay Pacific in HKG, and a closely-integrated JV with JAL in Japan, and perhaps soon another JV with QANTAS in Ocean...

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by Sydscott
Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Possible AA Intl S18 changes
Replies: 88
Views: 15492

Re: Possible AA Intl S18 changes

Will AA ever build out a more robust European network from MIA? Right now they serve what - LHR, MAD, BCN, MXP and CDG? What about adding service to places like AMS, BRU, FRA, DUS, ZRH, LIS, VIE, MAN, GLA, TXL, MUC, or FCO? They tried FRA but dropped it in 2015. Realistically I doubt they'll try to...

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by Sydscott
Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Applies For LAX-PEK
Replies: 636
Views: 103676

Re: AA Applies For LAX-PEK

From the Trans-pacific, and somewhat the Chinese domestic side of things, the China Southern and Hainan route networks out of Beijing are complimentary. So it's entirely feasible for AA to co-operate with both to the extent allowed under the deal with China Southern even if that's just to provide s...

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by Sydscott
Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Applies For LAX-PEK
Replies: 636
Views: 103676

Re: AA Applies For LAX-PEK

IINM, Hainan isn't even a mileage partner, let alone a codeshare partner of AA now. IIRC, the relationships ended last March. The parties applied to renew it on July 24th with the DOT. Clearly they have upcoming plans. From the Trans-pacific, and somewhat the Chinese domestic side of things, the Ch...

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by Sydscott
Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Drops 77W on MIA-LAX
Replies: 123
Views: 16140

Re: AA Drops 77W on MIA-LAX

I'd also suggest this may be temporary- whilst we await the outcome of the latest QF/AA application for JV. The 77W was taken off SYD-LAX as AA/QF weren't able to fully utilise the capacity and premium demand without a full JV. I'd say partially true, partially negotiating tactic. Hopefully know th...

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by Sydscott
Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Two QF flights currently dumping fuel over Sydney
Replies: 22
Views: 4768

Re: Two QF flights currently dumping fuel over Sydney

Just to be clear the flights aren't literally "dumping fuel over Sydney".......LOL

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by Sydscott
Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Malaysia Airlines plans lie flat direct aisle access Business class for 737MAX10
Replies: 29
Views: 6115

Re: Malaysia Airlines plans lie flat direct aisle access Business class for 737MAX10

that MAS saw the potential for profit, to be greater with the configuration more broadly being centered around the idea/design of sleep (and not being disturbed by a neighbor - in the pursuit of profit). So, while perhaps not the most efficient, I applaud MAS's vision here, and hope that they not o...

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by Sydscott
Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Applies For LAX-PEK
Replies: 636
Views: 103676

Re: AA Applies For LAX-PEK

And calling DL's SEA hub money losing is simply a not very veiled admission that it was AA that failed strategically to build a west coast to Asia hub in a city where it could operate the majority of the flights which is completely opposite of what they are now having to do in LAX. Meanwhile, DL an...

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by Sydscott
Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Applies For LAX-PEK
Replies: 636
Views: 103676

Re: AA Applies For LAX-PEK

I find it quite humorous to read the absolutely flawed logic that pervades the arguments of some people regarding this topic. The more some people write, the more desperate they are to ignore the truth. 1. The Chinese carriers aren’t going to replace growth at PVG and PEK for a bunch of secondary C...

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by Sydscott
Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Applies For LAX-PEK
Replies: 636
Views: 103676

Re: AA Applies For LAX-PEK

It is also very much worth noting that AA wanted to argue that it should be awarded the LAX-PEK route because SEA is DL's hub - and yet the DOT cannot protect any airline from competition. The new PEK airport will lead to new route authorities; it is ludicrous to think that every other US and Chine...

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by Sydscott
Wed Jul 26, 2017 7:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MH Update: A380 Hajj, expansion plans
Replies: 23
Views: 6765

Re: MH Update: A380 Hajj, expansion plans

I do wish they start ordering the A330 replacement already. I get it that the widebody market's currently a buyer's market but how long must we wait for the price to be right? The oldest MH A330 is a 2011 Model while the youngest was delivered January 2014. So there is no need to replace such new a...

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by Sydscott
Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2017
Replies: 378
Views: 38003

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2017

Quoting text on mobile devices is a nightmare so I'll just refer to posters... Sydscott: - no one's going to argue VA has had a great few years but shouldn't we applaud a change in direction to right the ship? - the 330 is a good example, where VA has probably erred and is working to fix it - I thi...

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by Sydscott
Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2017
Replies: 378
Views: 38003

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2017

Also, and this is not directed at just Bunumuring, but I really wish that this potential new J class wasn't referred to as "Mint". Mint is a cabin product on B6 that includes lie flat seats but it is a lot more than just the seats. It isn't the only lie flat in a narrow body aircraft, in ...

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by Sydscott
Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Applies For LAX-PEK
Replies: 636
Views: 103676

Re: AA Applies For LAX-PEK

Some people can't accept that the LAX-PEK case has little to do with gaining PEK airport slots that fit AA's definition of what is commercially viable and a whole lot more to do with AA trying to redefine alliance and commercial relationships in China which is a much bigger issue but one which ulti...

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by Sydscott
Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Applies For LAX-PEK
Replies: 636
Views: 103676

Re: AA Applies For LAX-PEK

Continuing to persist with "but they are developing a relationship with China Southern" doesn't solve the question of why they don't have a slot and how they expect to get one if the IATA slot coordination process didn't work. They'll get one the same way Qantas got one. http://www.afr.co...

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by Sydscott
Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Applies For LAX-PEK
Replies: 636
Views: 103676

Re: AA Applies For LAX-PEK

[quote="atl100million No one has also answered the seemingly conflicting information from people who said on here that airlines can't sell or lease slots at Chinese airports and yet the assumption by some that CZ will provide a slot to AA for LAX-PEK? .[/quote] There is no conflicting informati...

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by Sydscott
Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JAL adds the 2nd HND-LHR and NRT-BKK, ceases NRT-ICN
Replies: 22
Views: 4567

Re: JAL adds the 2nd HND-LHR and NRT-BKK, ceases NRT-ICN

Also, JAL is going to cease NRT-ICN (JL959/954) from 2018 3.25 Bad news for OW users traveling from US to Korea. The markets affected are JFK, ORD and SAN - the former two of which both have considerable, existing nonstop competition. DFW obviously has a nonstop to ICN that's already part of the AA...

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by Sydscott
Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA dropping Qatar Etihad codeshare
Replies: 67
Views: 11501

Re: AA dropping Qatar Eithad codeshare

PHL is doomed. Does QR have One World recourse? They might if interline or FFP benefits are chopped, but not if it's strictly codeshare. Even if they do have a path to oneworld recourse, AA is a big enough player in the alliance to essentially brush it off or simply push to change the rules on comm...

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by Sydscott
Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Applies For LAX-PEK
Replies: 636
Views: 103676

Re: AA Applies For LAX-PEK

This. Thank you. This is the bottom line. AA hasn't even responded to Delta's latest complaint yet, and when it does, none of us know how the DOT is going to ultimately rule. But I continue to expect that as long as AA can credibly demonstrate that it isn't playing games, the DOT will most likely b...

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by Sydscott
Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: US DHS announces new security measures for US bound flights
Replies: 79
Views: 12704

Re: US DHS announces new security measures for US bound flights

I'm assuming "heightened screening of personal electronic devices" is code for more full searches of all of the data on your phone or tablet... Which is why I keep an iPhone4 with a T-Mobile Sim in it so that when I go to the US I don't take my phone, just the one that's been to the US wi...

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by Sydscott
Wed Jun 28, 2017 3:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2017
Replies: 292
Views: 37860

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2017

I also forgot to mention that the baggage claim area in Terminal 7 at JFK (I assume the one used for domestic flights as it's segregated from the rest) was absolutely TINY. Seeing 300+ exhausted people battling to find their bags and zig-zag their way through the crowds was hilarious to watch. It w...

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by Sydscott
Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Malaysia Airlines to axe Darwin, more routes to be culled
Replies: 34
Views: 6171

Re: Malaysia Airlines to axe Darwin, more routes to be culled

Perhaps downgauge KUL-PER to B738 before cancelling the route? They've already done that for selected periods. I think PER will end up being one of the MAX10 routes when MH gets them. It seem to meas though MH is talking from both sides of their mouth. One minute they are talking about not having e...

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by Sydscott
Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar Airways to buy 10 pc of American Airlines
Replies: 71
Views: 15726

Re: Qatar Airways to buy 10 pc of American Airlines

Why does Qatar want to buy stock in AA is a great question because AA is probably the only OW airline that does NOT want them. AA has been very vocal about there negatives views of the ME3. AA, certainly more so than UA or DL, are exceptionally two-faced on the issue. While UA and DL have both seve...

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by Sydscott
Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar Airways to buy 10 pc of American Airlines
Replies: 71
Views: 15726

Re: Qatar Airways to buy 10 pc of American Airlines

If AA fights this, they will get crucified by Wall Street. They are really in quite the predicament right now. There seems to be a lot of predictions in this thread of conflict. Dare I pose the question of why American has to do anything at all with this news? So they have a new shareholder who hap...

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by Sydscott
Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar Airways to buy 10 pc of American Airlines
Replies: 71
Views: 15726

Re: Qatar Airways to buy 10 pc of American Airlines

If AA fights this, they will get crucified by Wall Street. They are really in quite the predicament right now. There seems to be a lot of predictions in this thread of conflict. Dare I pose the question of why American has to do anything at all with this news? So they have a new shareholder who hap...

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by Sydscott
Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2017
Replies: 292
Views: 37860

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2017

Unsure why it's vs VA launching BNE-HKG? Unless HU gives VA the aircraft, VA doesn't currently have the space aircraft to launch the route. As to whether there is demand BNE-SZX... who knows... but market demand certainly hasn't restricted the growth of Chinese carriers in SYD and MEL to destinatio...

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by Sydscott
Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2017
Replies: 292
Views: 37860

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2017

Thanks for the update, story has been updated https://www.ausbt.com.au/hainan-airlines-plans-non-stop-brisbane-beijing-flights I get that these are subsidised routes but is there actually a market for BNE-SZX? I know that Hainan would be consolidating tour groups etc to make it work but you've got ...

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