Parisien From France, joined Dec 2000, 813 posts, RR: 1 Posted (3 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6769 times:
MH 20 KUL CDG
Date August 28, 2008
Boeing 777-200ER (Reg: HM)
Departure gate at KUL: C22
STD 23h25, actual: on time (for pushback)
STA 06h40, actual: 06h05
Flying time: 12 h 35 minutes
Seat 40J (Rear Y cabin)
I wasn’t going to write a trip report, so sorry if it is a bit spotty. Indeed I decided to write one after such a great experience on this flight due to the great cabin crew, especially those in the rear section of Y class! Not surprising that MH cabin crew got awards all the time…
So here goes:
I was still in the smoky smoking room when Final Call was displayed on the monitor for MH20. It was not a long walk from there to C22 and made a trip to the restroom first to squirt a bit of Aqua di Gio since I must have smelled like stale cigarette after spending time in that smoking room near C3.
Security line was ok when I got to the gate and I could see that boarding was already underway. No check for liquid stuff this time…is this normal? My boarding pass and passport got checked by two friendly agent who asked questions of how long I have lived in France (since I am part Asian and look mostly Asian, this question is common in my travel in Asia). Went to the gate and boarded right away. Though the gate area was empty, the jetway was packed and I spent quite a bit of time on it. Welcomed on board by friendly crew members and snailed my way to my seat, 40J, the last row in Y on the right hand side (aisle seat of the two seat sets). MH planes do look a bit less modern compared to their competitors, but they were clean though certain things are showing their age and should have been repaired (my table did not pull out; another pax had a table that was tilted, and the colors really do need some renovation etc).
This welcome message (different to the simple Welcome aboard before I think) was taken from my CDG KUL flight a month earlier.
On my way to my seat, I had the bad luck of having to observe a French guy do a bad imitation, for the benefit of his group, of the way a rather gay looking steward speaks. He and his group had a good laugh without even considering how the FA must feel! I get embarrassed and annoyed whenever I see French people who behave like uncouth barbarians (he would not have dared doing that in Paris!). Luckily on my section of Y class there was a nice lot of people who even smiled and nodded as I arrived! Two friendly FAs, a female and a male, were there to welcome everyone. These two would be among the best FAs I have ever had on a flight! They chatted with pax, responded to them in very reassuring and friendly manner, and were very attentive in general.
Pushback was on time and we took off after a long take off roll of nearly 60 seconds. Hot towels were distributed as we taxied but had to be interrupted as the captain asked the cabin crew to sit down. This was continued after we took off. Next, we got peanuts (in small packets) followed by a choice of orange or guava juice. I chose the guava juice which I guess is an acquired taste though I love the guava fruit. A bit later, the FA passed again with a tray of beer in plastic glasses. The captain followed by the purser announced flight route and time (twelve and a half hours) and the service on board (dinner to be served shortly, and breakfast two hours prior to landing). The FA came back with more packets of peanuts (Kacang masin) for those who wanted more.
Seats on MH are really comfortable in term of space (34 inches pitch) and padding. However, the lumbar support always takes some fiddling to get right as I could not figure out if it pushes out or in when you press the button. I like the last row on MH as the seats can still fully recline (to the wall) and you have no one behind. I noticed they now ask people to put the seat upright for meals so that people behind can see what they are about to eat.
Dinner menu was flashed on the IFE screen (no more menu on MH, nor amenity kits! But you can ask for what you need in term of toiletries or sleeping eyepads for instance). Chicken with potatoes or beef with something. I chose the chicken which was very nice and spicy. Dessert was some kind of pudding that was forgettable. Presentation wise, it was a bit lacking, but the taste made up for it (though the portion could be just a little bit bigger). Unlike on AF, coffee was offered during rather than after meals. There was also wine. The choices of meals were still available despite the fact that we were the last row to be served.
After the meal, duty free was started. They apparently started in business class and worked their way back toward Y class. The male FA (Malaysian of Indian origin) saw me flipping and marking the brochure and asked me if I was planning on buying something. I said yes and he told me he would tell his colleagues up front to keep the items for me to make sure that they don’t run out by the time they get to me….Indeed, they had the items ready for me when they reached my row. Prices on board MH are really good and were even cheaper than duty free shops at airports!
Through out the flight, the FAs passed with tray of orange or guava juice or water and they stopped to chat with people who were awake. Short small chats (never intrusive!) that nonetheless endeared them to pax like me. Each time they passed they looked at pax and smiled. Each call was responded to immediately. I noticed that the FAs were wearing what looked like 2 watches. I asked why and was told that one actually was a device to study their body functioning (temperature etc.) on long flights. I suppose this was so that the company could come up with the most efficient rest/work time for their crew. I also got the impression the crew only got a one day layover in Paris which to me seems rather short!
I slept for most of the flight, so did not know if there was a snackbox given out during the flight (there was on the flight over from Paris to KUL, I put the photo from that flight here). However, each time I awakened, an FA passed by with a tray of juice and to collect trash (the plane remained clean even at arrival after the long flight). I got my screen tuned to flight information all the time, though I did manage to catch a few episodes of Ugly Betty (Is this show a hit in Asia or what?).
Two hours prior to landing, breakfast was served. The choices were Nasi lemak or omelette. The all told me the Nasi Lemak ex. KUL is good, but as usual, after 30 days of rice morning, day and night I wanted something different and chose the omelette. They started at the back this time, but had to interrupt service as there was rather heavy turbulence which lasted for about 15 minutes during which time FAs were asked to be seated by the captain. Once it passed, service restarted. The omelette was very nice. Again, the banana smoothie was great!
Overall, I have never seen such a bunch of crew work so hard and yet so discretely and always with a smile for pax. The purser also made frequent rounds and helped out. I had nice if short conversations with many of them though my faves were the female FA and the Indian male FA who stayed on my part of the cabin (I noticed more male FAs on this MH flight at least in Y; it seemed more female FAs were working the business class).
Landed in CDG 37 minutes ahead of schedule. The holidays are over, Paris was a cold 16 degrees (felt cold after spending a month in tropical weather in Asia)…no wonder I felt depressed.
There was preliminary passport check in the jetway. Made my way in T1 to passport control which, for once, was a bit organized (probably because there was only our flight at that time). This time there were separate lines for European and non European passports that bizarrely ended up in the same line toward the end lol! Well at least they tried even if they have not quite got the idea yet.
As usual, long wait for our baggage. Took the RER B to Gare du Nord and found a coffee shop just outside. Hmmm, I must say that it was happiness to find a good espresso again lol.
Overall:
I am glad I chose MH for this trip to Asia. MH have old planes compared to other companies such as SQ or EK, but the flight crew made up for a lot. I hope the company realises that their biggest asset is their cabin crew and not overwork or mismanage them.
5 star airline indeed, but only for the service provided by the cabin crew who have to make do with so so hardware.
Special mentions for the young lady FA working the rear cabin on my side and for the (also young) male FA of Indian origin I think who also worked this part of the cabin....both were very professional, friendly and super !
LeonJunior From New Zealand, joined Aug 2007, 83 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (3 months 13 hours ago) and read 5063 times:
hey
very good trip report.
hope the effect of cost cutting can be minimised
sad that they didn't get the skytrax cabin crew award this year but who cares.
OneWay From France, joined Mar 2008, 51 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4464 times:
hi parisien ! I'm french (nantes) but we can't speak moliere language here ! lol
nice & very fresh tr ! breakfast looks not very delicious !
and if I think, if you flew with an asian company, you found the hospitality of this country.
I went to malaysia last year (with af cdg-sin then inside the country, bus or train !) and malaysian people was always smiling, they always have a word for you : hi, where are you from ? except Kuala, because it's a big city !!!
but us, where are french and there is no french hospitality ! af crew is good but i think not than malaysian or singapore airlines ...
MAS777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2777 posts, RR: 8 Reply 4, posted (2 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4052 times:
Quoting Parisien (Thread starter): I noticed they now ask people to put the seat upright for meals so that people behind can see what they are about to eat.
As far as i am aware - having flown MAS regularly since 1977 - MH continues to be the only airline that continues to advise passengers to put their seats upright in Y for meals... (so this is not new) - i think they're great and miss them since I became a Star Alliance member (!) - but am looking forward to flying them again in 2 weeks time (pending the 'troubles' in BKK)...
Parisien From France, joined Dec 2000, 813 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (2 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3971 times:
Hello, Bonjour,
thank you LeonJunior and MAS777 et merci Florian for your comments.
LeonJunior, I am amazed too that they did not get the Skytrax award, and I also hope that cost cutting stops here. Especially I hope that they would not work their cabin crew to the max allowable which may have an effect on the quality of service (if you're too tired....).
Florian, you're so right, I love travelling in Asia (Malaysia and Indonesie) because the people are so friendly. I have made friends from travelling there and they have become good friends that I see every year. Even Kuala Lumpur I find friendly !!! But then again, I live in Paris, so in comparison ...lol
Now I try to do that in Paris, being helpful and friendly to tourists...hopefully the stereotype of parisians will change bit by bit !
MAS777, SQ ask pax to keep seats upright during meals. I said 'now' for MH because my last experience with MH was not like that (maybe this was a one off). I remember because the pax in front of me reclined and I could not see my food! well not easily (in fact, after that comment on presentation, this may not be a bad idea lol...but the food on MH is still good and tasty. The dessert was a disappointment though. And no ice cream either (cost cutting?).
OneWay From France, joined Mar 2008, 51 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (2 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3949 times:
France is a rich country, in money comparaison, Indonesia or Malaysia is a poor country but these people are always smiling & they always can help you if you have any problem. If any Malaysian or Indonesian go to France, they was surprised ... some people don't answer you if you need help to found their way ... No body ask you where are you from, in the subway, no body smiling ...
I think we've a lot of things to learn from these people and your TR say us a lot of things about Malaysia & Asia in general : the HOSPITALITY.
I think, now you know, I really enjoy your TR ! lol
Florian
Airnewzealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2449 posts, RR: 3 Reply 7, posted (2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3607 times:
We ask passengers to put their seats forward too...(Qantas)..however, its more of a case you HAVE to, with seatpitch at 31".
I enjoying seeing the MH crew when we arrive somewhere, thay are always smiling and willing to chat to other airline crew...like CX...some airline crews are very snobby and will not even say hello or smile at another...IB and UA come to mind....
Parisien From France, joined Dec 2000, 813 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3398 times:
Coucou Florian,
I have the impression you are promoting MH and their MH = Malaysian Hospitality campaign lol ! Life in Paris would be so much more bearable if everyone smiles just a little bit (and AF with a smile would no doubt be my favorite airline).
Hi Airnewzealand,
so despite your name you actually work for Qantas?
yes, 31 inches seem really tight...already I get uncomfortable with 32 inch pitch flying across the pond...cannot imagine tighter than that on a longer sector like SYD to LAX.
I have traversed the pacific with Air NZ which was a wonderful experience: friendly outgoing crew and (at that time) nice seat pitch (on their 744).
Quoting Parisien (Thread starter): I chose the guava juice which I guess is an acquired taste though I love the guava fruit.
Indeed, the guava juice makes a nice difference.
Quoting Parisien (Thread starter): Dinner menu was flashed on the IFE screen (no more menu on MH, nor amenity kits!
Amenity kits should become standard again on these long flights.
Quoting Parisien (Thread starter): Presentation wise, it was a bit lacking, but the taste made up for it (though the portion could be just a little bit bigger).
Exactly my opinion.
Quoting Parisien (Thread starter): I noticed that the FAs were wearing what looked like 2 watches.
Interesting detail.
Quoting Parisien (Thread starter): I am glad I chose MH for this trip to Asia. MH have old planes compared to other companies such as SQ or EK, but the flight crew made up for a lot. I hope the company realises that their biggest asset is their cabin crew and not overwork or mismanage them.
MH's 777s aren't old, though some cabins may be worn. However, the seating comfort (pitch!) is still better than on most other longhaul carriers.
Quoting OneWay (Reply 6): I think we've a lot of things to learn from these people
Saambas From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 3 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2444 times:
Nice report.
I flew with MH KUL-MEL on 26 Sep 2008. 777-200ER - middle back row 41D.
Unfortunately I did not find the crew lived up to the MH = Malaysian Hospitality.
The service in a way mirrored everything you have included in your thorough report.
However, for lunch we were served that exact same meal you were served for breakfast (the Omelette with a sausage).
The flight was packed and the somewhat inexperienced crew seemed overworked and so the service suffered because of that. I was served tea which was nearly stone cold. I know it is only minor but MH supposedly prides itself on its 5 star rating.
It was a nearly 8 hour flight and about an 2 hours before landing all we were served was a tiny little cheese and coleslaw roll, I was starving by this stage!!
Well Melbourne Airport at 8pm is very busy with about 4 international flights arriving at once so clearing immigration and customs took nearly 2 hours. I know this is not MHs problem but I have flown Thai before and you are always served at least 2 full meals on a BKK-MEL flight. I think MH is definately taking the cost cutting measures a bit too far.
We had a 1 senior male crew at the back who, straight after the lunch meal service decided to sit in the last 2 seats window and aisle 41A/C. Which were marked 'crew seats'.
This bothered me a little because he kept holding up the younger crew from doing their job like doing the drink service.
He wanted to shop for duty free and kept asking them about phones and watches. They wanted to impress him and kept chatting away about where he should shop in KL etc.
I mean I was sitting next to him which I found unprofessional as they should have those sorts of conversations in the galley at least.
Maybe I was just unlucky but I still think MH needs to lift its game.
MAS777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2777 posts, RR: 8 Reply 13, posted (3 weeks 7 hours 4 minutes ago) and read 1062 times:
Quoting Saambas (Reply 12): 2 full meals on a BKK-MEL flight
Meals are usually arranged depending on the total flight time and BKK-MEL is about 1.5 longer than KUL-MEL, making it 9.5hrs - perhaps why TG serves 2 meals. Since the main meal out of KUL is served about an hour after departure - this leaves about 5 hrs rest for passengers before MH begins its snack service prior to landing and as you mentioned airlines generally do not take into account how long it takes a passenger to clear arrival fomalities when it comes to catering on board.
Quoting Saambas (Reply 12): He wanted to shop for duty free and kept asking them about phones and watches. They wanted to impress him and kept chatting away about where he should shop in KL etc.
Maybe this was part of a training exercise for the crew members in dealing with Duty-Free shoppers and general cabin service training.
Shamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 404 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (3 weeks 6 hours 34 minutes ago) and read 1038 times:
Quoting Parisien (Thread starter): On my way to my seat, I had the bad luck of having to observe a French guy do a bad imitation, for the benefit of his group, of the way a rather gay looking steward speaks. He and his group had a good laugh without even considering how the FA must feel! I get embarrassed and annoyed whenever I see French people who behave like uncouth barbarians (he would not have dared doing that in Paris!).
No prizes for guessing who got the eye drops in their coffee then!