Kaitak744 From United States, joined Jul 2005, 1930 posts, RR: 2 Posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1399 times:
This is an idea I just came up with that will hopefully solve London Heathrow's problems regarding the construction of the third runway (located north of the main airport).
--Conditions:
Runway 9L / 27R will be for landing only (of aircraft no larger than a 757-200).
Runway 9L / 27R will be 8,000 feet long, and no aircraft using the runway will be allowed to use reverse thrusters*.
Runway 9C / 27C will be for take off only (all aircraft).
Runway 9R / 27L will be for landing only (of aircraft larger than a 757-200 (reverse thrusters allowed)).
The number of takeoff/landing slots at Heathrow will not be increased from the present number for another ten(10) years.
--Benefits:
-Safer operation. Aircraft landing slots will not be so close together. Also, the two landing runways will be further apart.
-Lower pollution. Aircraft will not have to hold pattern over London. (up to 20 minute decrease in flight time)
-Lower noise over London city. Aircraft will not have to hold pattern over London.
-Lower noise near London Heathrow. All aircraft smaller than the 757 (over 40% of all flights) will not reverse thrust*.
-A third runway will be in use. If an accident occurs on one runway, flights will not be delayed.
-Future slot increase ability. In ten(10) years, overall aircraft noise will be lower, due to quieter planes. Overall aircraft pollution will be lower due to more efficient planes. Thus, the environmental consequences of increasing slots will be significantly lower.
-Pleasing London's environmental groups. This third runway will do nothing but lower noise and pollution. No negative effect.
* (Small aircraft landing on a 8,000ft. runway will not need reverse thrusters.)
* (Better spaced out landing slots will give aircraft more time to exit runway.)
If BAA builds the third runway with these conditions, they really have nothing to loose. I don't think they can do it without such drastic restrictions.
Speedbirdie From United Kingdom (England), joined May 2006, 771 posts, RR: 56 Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1338 times:
Just out of curiosity..
Why is the 'proposed' runway going to be built in Sipson?
I have always wondered why Stanwell isnt knocked down (as its a shithole) and have it put there. Why knock down all the hotels along the bath road, demolish the A4 (and 24 hours McDonalds!!) and Sipson when it is a beautiful village when Stanwell can be knocked down and have the runway put there?
Just a thought thats been bugging me for a while...
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Flyf15 From United States, joined May 1999, 6101 posts, RR: 15 Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1318 times:
Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter): The number of takeoff/landing slots at Heathrow will not be increased from the present number for another ten(10) years.
Youre going to have a hard time finding anyone willing to pay for it with this condition.
Kaitak744 From United States, joined Jul 2005, 1930 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1279 times:
Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 2): Youre going to have a hard time finding anyone willing to pay for it with this condition.
They will have a hard time ever building it with out this condition. And there is financial gain even with this condition. (aircraft will not waste fuel and time while holding pattern)
Quoting Speedbirdie (Reply 1): Why is the 'proposed' runway going to be built in Sipson?
I have always wondered why Stanwell isnt knocked down (as its a shithole) and have it put there. Why knock down all the hotels along the bath road, demolish the A4 (and 24 hours McDonalds!!) and Sipson when it is a beautiful village when Stanwell can be knocked down and have the runway put there?
Well, I am saying the new runway will be north of Heathrow because that is where it has been planned by BAA. I have only been to London twice, and I don't know the area well enough to say which area would be better.
Airbazar From United States, joined Sep 2003, 3275 posts, RR: 9 Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 847 times:
Quoting Speedbirdie (Reply 1): I have always wondered why Stanwell isnt knocked down (as its a shithole) and have it put there. Why knock down all the hotels along the bath road, demolish the A4 (and 24 hours McDonalds!!) and Sipson when it is a beautiful village when Stanwell can be knocked down and have the runway put there?
I don't know the area but I'm going to guess by your description [Sipson mostly business vs. Stanwell mostly residential], that businesses are more willing to relocate (and have more to gain from a 3rd runway), than the population who live in Stanwell. For you it may be a dump but you'd be surprised how attached people get to the dumps they grow up in
Jetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1886 posts, RR: 7 Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 758 times:
The third runway plans look to be a very drastic expansion of the airport area, which really doesn't make sense. Why does the new runway have to be so far from the existing airport? BAA seems to be going for a big land grab, because no one except them will want the intervening area. There is surely space to put it much closer to the existing 09L/27R, in the same way runway 08L/26R was squeezed in at MIA.
It would mean losing a lot of car park space, but surely that's better than an entire village.
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Glom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2105 posts, RR: 6 Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 712 times:
I believe a close spaced runway was one of the options sought. The far spaced runway is the top option as it gives the most to LHR. It needs to be a mile from the others to allow parallel approaches. Any closer and the approaches have to be staggered. Sure it increases capacity, but not by as much.
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Sv2008 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 622 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 645 times:
Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 5): The third runway plans look to be a very drastic expansion of the airport area, which really doesn't make sense. Why does the new runway have to be so far from the existing airport? BAA seems to be going for a big land grab, because no one except them will want the intervening area. There is surely space to put it much closer to the existing 09L/27R, in the same way runway 08L/26R was squeezed in at MIA.
It would mean losing a lot of car park space, but surely that's better than an entire village.
AS Glom said spacing but also for building terminal 6 (random guess). Terminal 6 and 3rd runway pretty much go together.
They might have plans for car parks or something like that too.