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Single Jet Engine GA Plane (Is It Possible?)  
User currently offlineBlackbird From United States, joined Oct 1999, 3436 posts, RR: 5
Posted (2 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9948 times:

I wonder if it's possible to produce a truly practical single engine jet-powered GA-plane.

Does this look like a good start?

http://www.x-plane.com/pictures/contest/chandler%20jet.png

(I didn't make this image, this was the product of a guy named Jason Chandler, an X-plane player/designer)

Andrea K

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User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 1509 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9949 times:

Diamond Aircraft thinks so and is lauching the Diamondjet single engined VLJ.

Thereyago

Piper aircraft also has a single engine version of the Navajo on the paper somewhere. The engine will be located on the tail DC-10 style... looks weird...

Thereyagoagain


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User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9944 times:

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 1):
Piper aircraft also has a single engine version of the Navajo on the paper somewhere. The engine will be located on the tail DC-10 style... looks weird...

Its good that you brought that up...it was all over the cover of the last Flying Magazine.

http://www.newpiper.com/piperjet/



User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 13036 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9934 times:

Sure looks neat, but I bet the calculations for that combined nacelle/tailcone will be a bitch. Also, you are cutting off quite a bit of airflow to the engine.


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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States, joined Nov 2003, 9994 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9935 times:

How about one of these?

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User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9921 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 4):
How about one of these?

I like the way you think  smile ...I had a feeling someone would post something similar

User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 1509 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9871 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 3):
Sure looks neat, but I bet the calculations for that combined nacelle/tailcone will be a bitch. Also, you are cutting off quite a bit of airflow to the engine.

Now that you mention it...
From an amateur glance, there sure might a problem provding the ONLY engine with enough undisturbed airflow in high angle of attack & high power scenarios (the very scenarios that are already critical enough).


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User currently offline2H4 From United States, joined Oct 2004, 7375 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9866 times:
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It reminds me of the RFB Fantrainer:


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User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 1762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9834 times:
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What about this beast.


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User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9830 times:

While on the subject, not turbine powered, but another oddity:

The Cessna XMC:


User currently offlineFutureUApilot From United States, joined May 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9820 times:

I've fueled a Jet powered Cessna 172...

-Sam


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User currently offlinePilotpip From United States, joined Sep 2003, 2257 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9817 times:

I assume you mean that it had a diesel engine installed under an STC?


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User currently offlineATCme From United States, joined Dec 2005, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9808 times:

Don't forget the Cirrus Jet, which is yet to be unveiled (mock-up or prototype), but is supposedly a single engine 4 place jet (couldn't you tell by the name- Jet?).
Also the Piper Jet was featured in Flying.

ATCme  spin 


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User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States, joined Jul 2005, 2680 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9777 times:

Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 11):
I assume you mean that it had a diesel engine installed under an STC?

Probably a Garrett turbine actually. There are several STCs out there for Cessnas. Much more common in a 206 & up but there are some smaller Cessnas that have been modified as well.


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User currently offlineATCT From United States, joined Mar 2001, 1717 posts, RR: 36
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9649 times:

No one brought up my favorite in the single jet G/A game...



the Comp Air Jet.

User currently offlineTito From United States, joined Feb 2001, 122 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9621 times:

No one has mentioned the Visionaire Vantage.
http://www.scaled.com/projects/vantage.html



User currently offlineBlackbird From United States, joined Oct 1999, 3436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 9609 times:

What I was thinking of to be absolutely honest, would be a very simple, very basic Cessna 152 / Cessna 172 / Piper PA-28 Archer type of airplane, with simple old dials and gauges, cable controls, and a lightweight, basic, yet sturdy design, with speed equal to that of an MD-80/B-737.

The idea would be to keep it nice and simple, basic, easy to hand-fly, and a reasonable auto-pilot.

Andrea K

User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1554 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9590 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 4):
How about one of these?



Quoting SlamClick (Reply 4):
I like the way you think smile ...I had a feeling someone would post something similar

As soon as I saw the topic I thought of the L-39. Great airplane, hopefully one day i win the lotery... untill then...


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User currently offlineSCCutler From United States, joined Jan 2000, 3849 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 days ago) and read 9582 times:

Quoting Blackbird (Reply 16):
What I was thinking of to be absolutely honest, would be a very simple, very basic Cessna 152 / Cessna 172 / Piper PA-28 Archer type of airplane, with simple old dials and gauges, cable controls, and a lightweight, basic, yet sturdy design, with speed equal to that of an MD-80/B-737.

The idea would be to keep it nice and simple, basic, easy to hand-fly, and a reasonable auto-pilot.

Andrea K

While I would dearly love to see an affordable jet airplane, what you suggest sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. There is a reason why single-pilot-certified jets are required to have operational autopilots and FMS.

It's not just the aircraft that are complicated and demanding in the flight levels, it's the environment. A certain degree of complexity is necessary to have a reasonable chance at a good safety record.

Just MHO.


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User currently offlineDougloid From France, joined Jul 2005, 7981 posts, RR: 47
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9503 times:

Gulfstream had a single engine executive jet project a while ago that never got built. It was going to be powered by a single JT15D4, which is as close to dead ass reliable as you can get.

Tito mentions the Visionaire project, and there is a prototype but the company's defunct. They built a pretty good sized building in Ames Iowa to build the thing but the project went wayyyyyyy over budget and out of time. There is a guy named Matt Eller around here who bought up everything out of the bankruptcy for about $450,000.

Here's an interesting article on what's now known as Eviation. There are plans to build it in Brazil.

http://www.eviationjets.com/01/news/022306.asp


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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States, joined Nov 2003, 9994 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9465 times:

I posted the L-39 because whatever the factories come up with will have to compete on a cost-per-seat basis. Besides it is cool. I see one about once a month, all year long.

I still like my idea for the T-37. While it is not real pretty, I can picture it with a strong, reliable single fanjet, the two ejection seats replaced with four Recaro buckets, a modern panel, topped with a smoked canopy and a killer stereo.

Life is good!


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User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 1509 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9454 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 20):
I still like my idea for the T-37.

You'd have a killer of a time converting that from a twin to a single...
And seeing how all the frames are now pretty old and all had a nice looooong life as trainers, it'd be like buying an overhauled driving school car.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 20):
topped with a smoked canopy and a killer stereo.

Ok, NOW we're talking!  cool 


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