CcrlR From United States, joined Aug 2001, 2164 posts, RR: 1 Posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 765 times:
this is wierd but I will tell you what happened
Today was a nice day so I went out to MDW for a spotting and photography trip. When I am out there on the top level of the parking garage and I went back down to the elevators and there is this person sitting in a wheelchair(he wasn't paralyzed) and asking me why I was over here. Then he said that I couldn't do that and I told him that I was doing this because it's a hobby. then he asked me if I was American and I told him that I was american(What does he think I am a taliban member??? and the wierd thing was that he was chinese) . Then he goes on his radio and asked his supervisor about me taking photos. When they said no I left and when I was leaving 3 security guards and one on a bike came to where I was away from the man and told me that it was illegal and I told them I was leaving.
Do you think that the person was stupid for calling those people over there and asking me if I was american? I know all about what happened on 9-11 but this is stupid! The wierd part was that I have been going over there for a lot of times after 9-11 and NEVER get stopped by any police or security guard because I was doing this!!! What do you think about this? I know this happens a lot to you but do you think that they were too suspicious? I see a lot of people watching planes and taking pictures on the airport property and they were never told to leave why shouldn't I be picked out from the other people who do this?
What do you think? I thought about asking them about it and where can I take them though without being asked to leave? What do you do?
"He was right, it is a screaming metal deathtrap!"-Cosmo (from the Fairly Oddparents)
777lover From United States, joined Mar 2001, 96 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 676 times:
Show them your camera/binoculars/eye assistants, tell them the truth, like you did. If you do everything they ask and they still ask you to leave, then they're stupid.
DL Widget Head From United States, joined Apr 2000, 1705 posts, RR: 5 Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 631 times:
Since when is taking pictures of aircraft, a legitimate hobby, ILLEGAL???? I might have asked them to show me or quote to me the exact law.
NZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1582 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 584 times:
And I always thought taking pics of aircraft was only frowned upon in Eastern bloc countries.
What was the guy doing in a wheelchair?
Was that just a ploy so you didn't think he was security?
Like 777lover said, next time show them your equipment (your photographic gear I mean ).
And better still, let them frisk you to let them know you're not carrying a weapon; assuming you aren't.
LN-MOW From United States, joined Jan 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 15 Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 520 times:
Had an unpleasant experience with Boeing Security at Renton last week ... they caught me 'trespassing' on a parking lot trying to get in position for a picture, and was given a warning and sent out. They took my picture and personal details and told me that if I was caught again, I would be handed over to the police ....
Not only in Greece ......
DL Widget Head From United States, joined Apr 2000, 1705 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 507 times:
Good for Boeing Security. Dah, if your trespassing...you're doing something wrong but, if you're at a "public" parking lot at a civil airport, I don't see the harm in that.
HlywdCatft From United States, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 8 Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 505 times:
Tell him to go to hell. He wasn't a Police officer so he couldn't do anything. He sounded like a $7.00 an hour rent a cop that was on a power trip same with the rent a cops on the bikes.
It would be a different story if it said Cook County Sheriff or Chicago Police. I tell the security guards at DTW to go to hell all the time. I used to be an airport security, and I know they have no power other than to deny you access on the air operations area or thru certain doors/checkpoints. Anything on the otherside of air operations area only REAL cops have authority over.
Maybe to avoid all kinds of controversy altogether pay for the parking spot and park on the roof, they won't chase you out if you're a paying customer. They might have thought you were trying to steal a car or something rather than do a terrorist act. That might be their only reasoning if they were parking lot security and feared you were trying to steal a car, but if they see you with binoculars and a camera that would be the last thing you would want to carry around with you if you were stealing a car.
DL Widget Head From United States, joined Apr 2000, 1705 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 497 times:
HlywdCatft, You're name wouldn't be Michael J. Lassister of Atlanta would it? Or are you somehow related since you obviously have the same disdain for authority.
Sushka From United States, joined Nov 1999, 4783 posts, RR: 15 Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 490 times:
I have been stoped about five times already. Usualy I just tell them that there are such people like us who find joy in watching airliners. It is always hard for them to understand
LN-MOW From United States, joined Jan 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 15 Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 476 times:
I was at a Bowing parking lot, but it was not marked restricted area .. so I guess I c o u l d have challenged it .. but that would probably involved the police so I figured it wasn't worth the time and effort. The guys were OK, no bullies, they were just doing what they were instructed to ...
Shame though - it means I need to stay away from a couple of good spots at Everett ...
Airlinelover From United States, joined Jun 2001, 5578 posts, RR: 31 Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 471 times:
Here's what to do.. Ask them if they want their pic taken.. You're doing a story for a magazine, and it has to do with airliners, photography, and people who try to stop you.. See what they say.. LOL
Chris
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CcrlR From United States, joined Aug 2001, 2164 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 454 times:
Here's what to do.. Ask them if they want their pic taken.. You're doing a story for a magazine, and it has to do with airliners, photography, and people who try to stop you.. See what they say.. LOL
What if he asks for permission like if you need something to show you are doing this for Airways or some other magazine. i'm going to ask them what Jerden777 said in that forum when he was in Atlanta.
"He was right, it is a screaming metal deathtrap!"-Cosmo (from the Fairly Oddparents)
Vafi88 From United States, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 18 Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 441 times:
Are they stupid or what? it's just the same if you go out in a park and try to photograph nature, they couldn't tell you that photographing nature would cause the plants and flowers to die, would it? Same with planes, you can take pictures of them, they don't have anything (law or command from the security boss) that applies to where you are standing and what you are doing there. Next time, challenge them, make them look like idiots which they are and then take a photo of them! That should teach them to mess with A.net members!
I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
Thomasphoto60 From United States, joined Jan 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 18 Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 442 times:
LN-MOW,
Boeing security probably thought you were a spy from Airbus
Mls515 From United States, joined Jun 2000, 3042 posts, RR: 6 Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 433 times:
Next time it happens, ask to speak with the supervisor and say that you would just as well like to speak to him/her in their office. Like previously stated, ask to be quoted the law or regualation that bars you from taking photographs. Just be honest.
CcrlR From United States, joined Aug 2001, 2164 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 436 times:
next time I have a photo I made I'll dedicate it to the security guards there it might say something like this I dedicate this picture to those people that hassled me at Midway! That's right you tried to stop me and look at me now!!!!!!!!!! I put the picture here and look at you all know! You can't stop me and you can't silence the hobby of Avaition photography and spotting!!!
NZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1582 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 419 times:
Yeah, but it's very unlikely that they're members of A.Net so they wouldn't see the pic unless you sent them a copy.
Really, if you want to moan and groan about overzealous airport security, complain to airport management.
The security people are only acting on THEIR instructions after all, albeit without applying due discretion.
Always pays to talk to the man at the top, not the boy at the bottom.
HlywdCatft From United States, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 393 times:
HlywdCatft, You're name wouldn't be Michael J. Lassister of Atlanta would it? Or are you somehow related since you obviously have the same disdain for authority.
Heh, no... I'm from Detroit.
I do have a disdain for $7 an hour rent a cops on power trips that really don't have authority to throw someone off the property. I used to be a rent a cop at the airport, spotters would come by, I had no authority to kick them out nor would I ever kick them out in the first place, unless they tried to cross over onto the AOA Air Operations Area. Being that CcrlR was in a parking garage, he was nowhere near the AOA so they had no right to kick him out unless he was suspected of stealing cars, but a car thief would not be carrying binoculars and a camera i don't think, it would be a clumsy getaway.
As for my rants about the Detroit Metro Gestapo Police, yeah they are very unjust. I was in highschool and I went to the airport with my mom, I had just started driving and we were over taking pictures where there were no signs and a cop yells at us for parking there and drops a few cuss words on top of it and I have been yelled at rudely a few other times by cops at the airport I think i probably would develop an animosity towards them. It pisses me off whenever they over abuse their power elsewhere to spotters all over. But I tend to have a disdain for a lot of police, let me te
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. Then he goes on his radio and asked his supervisor about me taking photos. When they said no I left and when I was leaving 3 security guards and one on a bike came to where I was away from the man and told me that it was illegal and I told them I was leaving.
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