AS777 From United States, joined Nov 2007, 82 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (4 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6970 times:
Wow. (not knowing much about the merger process) I thought they would have had to have gotten the merger approved through the regulators before they can actually do this.
WorldTraveler From United States, joined Aug 2003, 4983 posts, RR: 18 Reply 3, posted (4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5499 times:
the documents say the whole process of merging paperwork doesn't happen until the merger is actually approved.
It also says NW will continue to operate after the merger. It will take time for NW's operations to be moved to DL's certificate although the rebranding will happen quickly
Suposedly the word from Washington this week was that the DOJ person who testified before the House said there was little reason to think that the DL/NW will be blocked.
Despite so much noise by so few, it seems apparent that DL/NW is well on its way to becoming reality. By this time next year, we'll be seeing lots of DL 330s, 747s, 320s, and yes those blessed DC9s.
Davescj From United States, joined Jun 2007, 1277 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4811 times:
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 3): It also says NW will continue to operate after the merger. It will take time for NW's operations to be moved to DL's certificate although the rebranding will happen quickly
This was also discussed in (of all places) the US inflight mag. Doug Parker mentioned that HW and US were finally on one flight cert, the "end" of the merger process, despite all the rebranding and other "seeable" things from a customer view point.
JoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2098 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4657 times:
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 3):
Suposedly the word from Washington this week was that the DOJ person who testified before the House said there was little reason to think that the DL/NW will be blocked.
Good news! Since they don't overlap very much I don't think there should be any reason for DOT to block the much needed first attempt of consolidation. I just hope others follow.
WorldTraveler From United States, joined Aug 2003, 4983 posts, RR: 18 Reply 7, posted (4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4389 times:
Quoting Davescj (Reply 4): This was also discussed in (of all places) the US inflight mag. Doug Parker mentioned that HW and US were finally on one flight cert, the "end" of the merger process, despite all the rebranding and other "seeable" things from a customer view point.
Quoting OA412 (Reply 6): I'm just hoping one of those A330's makes it's way to ATH.
maybe but supposedly DL's 767s have better performance than NW's 332s. I'd like to see someone from NW post performance stats (MTOW, OEW, installed thrust of engines) but I have heard that NW has not opted for the highest performance packages for several of its fleet types.
FalconBird From United States, joined May 2007, 1245 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (4 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3278 times:
My question is, once the merger is completed and most of the aircraft are re-branded, how will it take before Delta starts retiring or selling the 320's, 330's, and perhaps the 747's? Delta hasn't had a 747 in its fleet since, what, the 70's or 80's?
Rwy04LGA From United States, joined Jul 2005, 610 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (4 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3070 times:
Quoting FalconBird (Reply 8): My question is, once the merger is completed and most of the aircraft are re-branded, how will it take before Delta starts retiring or selling the 320's, 330's, and perhaps the 747's? Delta hasn't had a 747 in its fleet since, what, the 70's or 80's?
As has been said many times in other threads, It is thought that Delta will keep most, if not all, of the Airbii and augment the 747s with soon-to-be acquired 77Ls and 787s. The DC-9s are the ones most at risk.
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BrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2125 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (4 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2744 times:
Quoting FalconBird (Reply 8): My question is, once the merger is completed and most of the aircraft are re-branded, how will it take before Delta starts retiring or selling the 320's, 330's, and perhaps the 747's? Delta hasn't had a 747 in its fleet since, what, the 70's or 80's?
What exactly is DL supposed to operate the NW route network with? MD-80's? DL previously did not have routes for the 744, now they do. DL never ordered the 330 or 320 but the guys at the top speak highly of both aircraft. The DC-9s and MD-80s are the logical aircraft to ditch in times of high fuel, unless some 320s or 737s are due to have leases renewed. There is also the argument that the DC-9 fits the flights it operates perfectly. Unless DL purchase substantial numbers of the new C-Class or E-Jets they might not be replaced in the short to medium term.
As much as it may kill some people on these boards the DL livery will appear on A32X. A33X and 744s.
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Mayor From United States, joined Mar 2008, 1367 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (4 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2455 times:
Quoting FalconBird (Reply 12): Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think D E L T A was that fond of anything other than Boeing aircraft, which is the majority of their fleet.
That's true, in general, but I think with this merger, they see the reality of using what's available to them. In the long run, I'm sure it will become an all Boeing fleet, again, but, in the meantime, they've got to use NW's fleet as it is.
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Mayor From United States, joined Mar 2008, 1367 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2400 times:
Quoting Davescj (Reply 15): DL I think flew the 747 domestically at one point, JFK -- LAX or similar routes, but that was when there was only 2 or 3 flights a day also.
When we had the 747, I know it operated ORD-MIA, ORD-ATL, ATL-LAX/SFO. There were others for sure but I don't believe we used it to operate between JFK and the west coast. We wanted MIA-LAX but couldn't secure the rights to that route. I believe it went to National.
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Clipper136 From United States, joined Mar 2006, 186 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2243 times:
Quoting FalconBird (Reply 8): My question is, once the merger is completed and most of the aircraft are re-branded, how will it take before Delta starts retiring or selling the 320's, 330's, and perhaps the 747's?
Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 11): What exactly is DL supposed to operate the NW route network with? MD-80's? DL previously did not have routes for the 744, now they do. DL never ordered the 330 or 320 but the guys at the top speak highly of both aircraft.
Quoting FalconBird (Reply 12): Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't think D E L T A was that fond of anything other than Boeing aircraft, which is the majority of their fleet.
Remember Anderson was CEO at NW when they started building up their Airbus fleet.
Additionally, as reported recently, Anderson has indicated that Delta with continue to operate and order aircraft both Boeing and Airbus. Let the speculation end. The chopping block will see older, less efficient aircraft retired quickly (i.e. DC9, early build MD80 and A320) I could also see the possibility of 773ERs to replace NW 744. The fact remains that we will see Airbus operated in DL colors in the near and foreseeable future.
DeltaL1011man From United States, joined Sep 2005, 2864 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2174 times:
Quoting Davescj (Reply 15): DL I think flew the 747 domestically at one point, JFK -- LAX or similar routes, but that was when there was only 2 or 3 flights a day also.
also went to LHR
Quoting Clipper136 (Reply 17): Additionally, as reported recently, Anderson has indicated that Delta with continue to operate and order aircraft both Boeing and Airbus. Let the speculation end. The chopping block will see older, less efficient aircraft retired quickly (i.e. DC9, early build MD80 and A320) I could also see the possibility of 773ERs to replace NW 744. The fact remains that we will see Airbus operated in DL colors in the near and foreseeable future.
With both Boeing and the DALPA on the BOD I wouldn't hold my breath on to many new ordered Airbus not matter what Anderson said.........Let us not forget Anderson owes Boeing alot.............they gave him his job.....could be Dougy.
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