757lgw From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 148 posts, RR: 2 Posted (1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3419 times:
ok so it´s not been announced on the website yet , although they have announced the new ryanair kerry - dublin route , but along with the opening of this route kerry will become another new ryanair base . Probably only going to have the one aircraft. So what do we think guys , its a bit surprising for a base!
Philb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13 Reply 2, posted (1 month 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3142 times:
As a matter of fact Ryanair's bid was the lowest to operate the Public Service Obligation route saving the Irish tax payer a reported €1.3 million compared to the current Aer Arran subsidy. Overall fares will be lower and capacity will increase.
Al2637 From Ireland, joined Oct 2006, 244 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2855 times:
Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1): Add it to the pile of reasons why I think Ryanair are a heap of crap... at least stick to your arguments. I loathe it when things like this happen.
Ryanair complained at the level of the subsidy being offered to RE. Newspapers are today reporting that FR have offered to run the route for the goverment at a rate of 41% below those given to RE last time! This is in the context of RE now getting a 9% increase in the routes that it managed to hold onto (Galway, Sligo, Donegal). If only FR would bid for the other routes, and take these jokers in RE out of it. RE are screwing the tax payer.
ClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 3239 posts, RR: 14 Reply 8, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2842 times:
Quoting Al2637 (Reply 7): Ryanair complained at the level of the subsidy being offered to RE. Newspapers are today reporting that FR have offered to run the route for the goverment at a rate of 41% below those given to RE last time! This is in the context of RE now getting a 9% increase in the routes that it managed to hold onto (Galway, Sligo, Donegal). If only FR would bid for the other routes, and take these jokers in RE out of it. RE are screwing the tax payer.
That wasn't how I interpreted the article I read - obviously I didn't read it properly enough.
Thanks for the clarification!
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BrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 1997 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2824 times:
While FR may be getting less per passenger they will be carrying twice as many. So ultimately the FR deal will cost the Irish tax payer more than the RE one would have done. AFAIK the 41% figure is the subsidy, which is paid per passenger.
In the long term though, if FR can get passenger numbers up to 400k/year the routes probably would no qualify anymore, so in the long term the tax payer will probably be better off. In the short ERM t will be FR who will be doing the screwing of the governmet. If the can "rape" boeing you can be sure they have pulled a fast one on the idiots in the Dep. Transport.
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Pe@rson From United Kingdom (England), joined Jan 2001, 14890 posts, RR: 54 Reply 12, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2789 times:
You earlier said:
Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1): I read in today's paper that FR were bitching about the fact that the KIR-DUB route is subsidised by the Irish Government a couple of months ago.
Anyway, they've shut up now and are taking the subsidy from the Government and running the route themselves.
I think Ryanair are a heap of crap
You later said:
Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 11): FR pulled out of the route and once again we're all stuck with getting trains for 3 hours instead of a quick half an hour flight.
Al2637 From Ireland, joined Oct 2006, 244 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2739 times:
I don't believe the PSO routes are per passenger. Ryanair will be paid €5.25M for running the route between 2008 and 2011.. RE got paid €9M for the previous period.
I know the newspapers typically work it out on a per passenger basis, but AFAIK they are not actually being paid per passenger.
Sam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 591 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2586 times:
Quoting 757lgw (Thread starter): although they have announced the new ryanair kerry - dublin route , but along with the opening of this route kerry will become another new ryanair base
I have just looked at the FR timetables for KIR to DUB - the aircraft is certainly based at KIR, leaving at 0630 each morning and arriving back at 2210 each evening.
As well as the three rotations to DUB, there are two sizeable slots in the timetable - one which would fit a destination around 2 hours away, whilst the other would fit a destination around 75 minutes away.
Perhaps they will switch the existing HHN and LTN routes to be operated by the KIR based aircraft? THese would fit in perfectly to the timetable, but neither of the routes are daily, so if this were to happen a couple of other routes would need to be found. Maybe LGW on the days that don't have a LTN service? Any other thoughts?
Philb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13 Reply 18, posted (1 month 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2443 times:
Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 10): While FR may be getting less per passenger they will be carrying twice as many. So ultimately the FR deal will cost the Irish tax payer more than the RE one would have done
The route has had far too few seats, especially the morning departures, for a few years now allowing RE to charge premium fares as well as getting the subsidy leaving many travellers reliant on the 4 hour train trip - still without the new trains promised for last September during last year's election.
For people having to travel to Dublin for cancer treatment the availability of enough cheap seats on a 35 minute ride can only be a bonus.
Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 10): In the long term though, if FR can get passenger numbers up to 400k/year the routes probably would no qualify anymore, so in the long term the tax payer will probably be better off. In the short ERM t will be FR who will be doing the screwing of the governmet. If the can "rape" boeing you can be sure they have pulled a fast one on the idiots in the Dep. Transport.
Obviously you either don't understand or don't agree with the ethos of PSO services. Thankfully for an area with appalling transport links to the rest of the country this is one of the few things the government get right. Of course your beloved Aer Lingus hadn't the brains or the interest in the South West to "pull a fast one" when they operated the route.
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