QFYVR From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 12 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6202 times:
Has Any one heard any rumours of airlines starting or increasing service to YVR since we've lost O8 and QF. We have already heard that China Southern and Kingfisher are coming in the next two years and I believe there is a need for more widebody cargo service to Asia so if you have heard anything about YVR service starting please post it here.
LHboyatDTW From United States, joined Jan 2007, 896 posts, RR: 6 Reply 1, posted (1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6190 times:
While this may be partially relevant, wasn't there some regulation that AF was unable to start a flight to YVR? Seeing that they now serve SEA, I'm sure some O/D traffic originates from there, but it still perplexes me to some extent.
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EVA777SEA From United States, joined Aug 2006, 373 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6176 times:
Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 1): While this may be partially relevant, wasn't there some regulation that AF was unable to start a flight to YVR? Seeing that they now serve SEA, I'm sure some O/D traffic originates from there, but it still perplexes me to some extent.
What gave you the idea that there was more CDG-YVR traffic than CDG-SEA traffic? What you imply could be correct but are you basing this on anything? Obviously if that route had significant potential, AC would already be flying it.
QFYVR From Canada, joined Apr 2008, 12 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6143 times:
Air France has been waiting for years for the government of Canada to allow them to fly here nonstop. They tried a hop to YVR from seattle but it wasn't profitable so they discontinued it.
YVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 471 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6029 times:
Quoting QFYVR (Reply 3): They tried a hop to YVR from seattle but it wasn't profitable so they discontinued it.
They did?????? When was that??
CZ are pretty much firm for 2009 from CAN. I believe IT will be the first Indian carrier here, will be interesting to see if AI and 9W follow as rumoured - the market wont stand all three. QF may come back once the 787's are all online, but obviously thats a while out yet.
Otherwise, theres the return of all the summer charters and ramp up from US carriers as usual. GSM have added DUB and TS have added CDG, which are new destinations. There was a thread recently detailing all these.
Other than that, I cant see any other new carriers coming here. WS expansion south maybe, possible future codeshares with an US carrier. Some say its a matter of when rather than if WN come here as one of their first Canadian destinations. I dont know WN well enough to comment.
I would love to see another freighter service here - I think an LH MD11 once or twice a week to FRA would be great. There were rumours of Jade or Great Wall or someone like that with a 744F stopping here en route to IAH or somewhere in the US. That could potentially work with the current huge congestion there is on the ocean services to the Far East.
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EVA777SEA From United States, joined Aug 2006, 373 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5984 times:
Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 5): They did?????? When was that??
They never have. They codeshare on some flights out of SEA on AS/QX, so he could have seen an Air France number on a flight to YVR but it just would have been a codeshare.
Lightsaber From United States, joined Jan 2005, 3528 posts, RR: 65 Reply 7, posted (1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5974 times:
Quoting QFYVR (Thread starter): We have already heard that China Southern and Kingfisher are coming in the next two years
Those two make sense. IT will make a fortune on that flight.
Quoting Robsawatsky (Reply 4): And, my understanding is that Canadian airlines have been waiting equally as long for more liberal rights to France, It is a bilateral problem.
That seems to go around. Certain nations are... stubborn in their bilateral negotiations. The penalty, in today's environment, is that other bilaterals are signed and the two countries just never get around to expanding.
As to new service to YVR, I'm sure EK would like more rights.
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DYK From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 393 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5741 times:
Quoting EVA777SEA (Reply 2): What gave you the idea that there was more CDG-YVR traffic than CDG-SEA traffic? What you imply could be correct but are you basing this on anything? Obviously if that route had significant potential, AC would already be flying it.
From what I understand Air France is doing very well into Seattle, not sure they would get the same results into Vancouver. I am sure the Air France flight ex Seattle is drawing a small amount of passengers from Vancouver but it would be interesting to find out how many passengers from Vancouver are using the flight. Air Canada had a YVR-CDG flight back in the 90's and was discontinued, the flight proved popular. From what I understand there were several reason for dropping the flight including air craft and it had an effect on AC CDG flight ex YUL and YYZ?
Quoting Robsawatsky (Reply 4): And, my understanding is that Canadian airlines have been waiting equally as long for more liberal rights to France, It is a bilateral problem.
Canada is in the process of negotiating a more open agreement with the E.U. which is to conclude in the next months.
At this point I would be surprised to see Air France into Vancouver even if AF had rights to fly the route. I think Vancouver missed the opportunity to get AF (some credit to Air Canada for this)
Overall I dont think you will see any new service into Vancouver until 2009. Canada is negotiating a new bilateral with Korea which may see the introduction of Asiana into the market. Latest rumour from PR is it looks like they will get daily flights from YVR with 5th freedom to LAS and SAN. Also heard they want additional frequency to start YVR-EWR or JFK?
Some local talk of AIr India and Jet Airways into Vancouver, I think you may here more after the E.U. talks rap up?
QF is talking 2010 but in the form of JET Star,
Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 5): I would love to see another freighter service here - I think an LH MD11 once or twice a week to FRA would be great. There were rumours of Jade or Great Wall or someone like that with a 744F stopping here en route to IAH or somewhere in the US. That could potentially work with the current huge congestion there is on the ocean services to the Far East.
Dont think any of these will happen. YVR tried to attract Great Wall but they opted for Seattle. Jade is looking at PDX as more opportunity than YVR. YVR is a small cargo market compared to Seattle or even Portland for that matter. Not to mention the costs for freighter service into YVR is higher than our neighbours to the south and Calgary. The YVRAA has been lobbying the provincial government to reduce the 3% fuel tax on freighters which would make YVR a little more competitive. YVR also lack facilities to handle all cargo aircraft and there are no plans to build any.
Mk777 From United States, joined Oct 2006, 968 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5696 times:
I think IT, with their A345's could really make money on the DEL-YVR non-stop sector.
Lots of North Indians in Vancouver would love to fly an Indian carrier to a north indian city, actually ATQ, would do quite well to YVR as well.
I am not sure how AI is doing on their ATQ-BHX-YYZ route, it would seem they would be making money on this route, connecting people from Punjab to birmingham and toronto (large Punjabi communities in england and canada respectively). The reason to ask this is that AI could start DEL-MAN-YVR or something like that to link up Indians in manchester and Vancouver. Also, i am sure a english people from MAN wouldn't mind a direct flight to YVR as well
As for 9W, after they start BOM-PVG-SFO, they might want to start DEL-PVG-LAX and use PVG as a scissor hub to these 2 west coast cities. So that leaves them to fly via BRU to YVR, they could send an A332 from ATQ, which could work.
However as someone else said, it can be 1 or 2 of the indian carriers not all 3 to YVR, it would be overcapacity then, IMO
Fly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 378 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5695 times:
Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 8): Zoom talked about operating YVR/NAN/SYD twice a week I believe, when they could find a 763ER.
Keep on hearing that this route will happen in the years to come, but with more and more 787 delays it's doubtful that Zoom will be able to find a decent 763ER to fly down there.... and 777 seems too big.
REALDEAL From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 509 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (1 month 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5484 times:
Quoting Fly2YYZ (Reply 11): Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 8):
Zoom talked about operating YVR/NAN/SYD twice a week I believe, when they could find a 763ER.
Keep on hearing that this route will happen in the years to come, but with more and more 787 delays it's doubtful that Zoom will be able to find a decent 763ER to fly down there.... and 777 seems too big.
this recession is going to be a big one & lots more carriers will fail, so the used market will be littered with hundreds of reasonable aircraft soon. The question then is, will Zoom then be able to afford to lease 1.
Maybe FJ could fly its 763ER NAN/YVR nonstop, even if only once a week initially, freeing up a 737 which flies NAN/HNL/YVR twice a week, thereby avoiding dreaded nazis at US ports ?
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 5508 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (1 month 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5471 times:
Quoting QFYVR (Reply 3): Air France has been waiting for years for the government of Canada to allow them to fly here nonstop. They tried a hop to YVR from seattle but it wasn't profitable so they discontinued it.
That is not correct. AF only very recently started service CDG-SEA and certainly did not continue to YVR. They couldn't do so under the Canada-France bilateral anyway.
Canadian carrier Air Transat will operate seasonal A330-200 service YVR-YYC-CDG twice weekly this summer (May-September I believe). During the busiest period one flight will operate YVR-CDG nonstop and the other will stop at YYC.
Fly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 378 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (1 month 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5377 times:
Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 12): this recession is going to be a big one & lots more carriers will fail, so the used market will be littered with hundreds of reasonable aircraft soon. The question then is, will Zoom then be able to afford to lease 1.
More to the point will Zoom be one of those airlines that survive the recession. Being an airline based on leisure traffic will there continue to be demand?
REALDEAL From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 509 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5184 times:
Quoting Fly2YYZ (Reply 14): More to the point will Zoom be one of those airlines that survive the recession. Being an airline based on leisure traffic will there continue to be demand?
Depends how many business types (who have to pay their own way) switch to Zoom ? Probably a lot, as this is going to be 1 hell of a recession come depression !!! (or maybe they won't fly at all?)
YVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (1 month 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5137 times:
Well yes, there are heaps of rumours out there.
Nothing still "confirmed." Many negotiations going on with b-laterals to increase service (SQ, KE, PR etc) and all the rumours of Indian flights (AI, IT, 9W) etc etc.
Oasis may also be rescued.. and what about Harmony's rumour of a re-launch.
On the down-side - Alaska is discontinuing the 3 daily SFO flilghts and the daily LAS flight.
I am SURE we will see another Aussie connection within a year or two. Whether it's QF (when they eventually get their 787s), JetStar, V Australia... who knows.
A Canadian in Oz. An ex-Wardair/Canadian Airlines boy.
Fly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 378 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5034 times:
Quoting REALDEAL (Reply 15):
Depends how many business types (who have to pay their own way) switch to Zoom ? Probably a lot, as this is going to be 1 hell of a recession come depression !!! (or maybe they won't fly at all?)
Well lets just be positive and live for today.... save our pennies and all that. Zoom should do well, but it would be good to see if Zoom UK could connect to Zoom Canada going to Australia bound flight! It definitely would ruin yields...and maybe going via HNL could give the Brits a direct service there?
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Certain nations are... stubborn in their bilateral negotiations. The penalty, in today's environment, is that other bilaterals are signed and the two countries just never get around to expanding.
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