Drerx7 From United States, joined Jun 2000, 2856 posts, RR: 6 Reply 4, posted (1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8452 times:
A United/CO alliance would probably be the best alternative for both carriers. Continental joining OneWorld is fine as well however CO and AA's route networks almost mirror each others.
COalways From United States, joined Feb 2008, 117 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8348 times:
If Anything i think CO would benefit more from Star then Oneworld. they have more members and member hubs in the right destination were CO would want to fly Poland, Africa, Asia , etc....
JoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2060 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8116 times:
That would be really great. The best news since CO stopped with UA about a full merger.I am really frightened since then that UA marries US.
I remember that LH and OS have a joint venture (anti trust) for traffic between both countries and they refer that this delivers them 80% of the cost benefits of a full merger. If UA and CO could achieve the same they would get nearly all the benefits of a merger without having to merge.
And that keeps the door open for a merger in some years time.
Searpqx From United States, joined Jun 2000, 4264 posts, RR: 23 Reply 8, posted (1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8055 times:
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 3): But since DL/NW/KL/AZ/OK/AF enjoy six-way antitrust immunity, anything's possible.
That's true, and in all honesty I see that precedent making it difficult to deny further reasonable requests. The counter argument to that though is the overlapping concentration for each carrier in TX and NYC, which has always been one of the key considerations.
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Briguy1974 From United States, joined Aug 2005, 67 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7844 times:
I can only hope that an agreement gets into place soon. I have said before that CO UA makes a great route and aircraft combination. I understand that the complexity of a merger between the two frightened CO away but CO in STAR is good for both carriers. AA CO does nothing for CO. IAH and DFW are just to close and the routes are almost the same. CO has a lot to offer STAR and UA and STAR has a lot to offer CO... I hope this gets put together soon.
As far as US and UA....I am just not sure if UA needs US or vise versa...I would prefer a staight aquisition and an elimination of what US has left...not much. Keep the hub in Char...and PHX and turn PHL and its dirt facilities, and LAS as focus cities.... Can UA afford this??? I do not think so.
Uadc8contrail From United States, joined Sep 2003, 1727 posts, RR: 9 Reply 10, posted (1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7602 times:
CO brings nothing to *A!!!... the CO cheerleaders are correct....go at it alone as it is their only choice now, to think that they will have equal footing in a AA/BA alliance is crazy...AA will not allow that. first pull that crazy industry consolidation web site out if it has not already been done, then concentrate on being the great airline that most in here think they are.
WunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 28 Reply 11, posted (1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7573 times:
Quoting Searpqx (Reply 2): I could see this having a much higher chance of being approved than an anti-trust request between CO & AA.
When we talk about two airlines seeking an alliance, do we understand it as stronger ties than actual alliances (*A, 1W or SkyT)? Otherwise, CO could simply pull out of SkyT and join *A...
I don't really understand...
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Whappeh From United States, joined Mar 2006, 1030 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7514 times:
Quoting Boston92 (Reply 6): 4. US gets their ass kicked OUT of Star.
That would be a good idea how? Are you aware that US actually does provide Star with some valuable services that are largely ignored on Anet by you Armchair CEOs. You should go to FRA and see how many Lufthansa transfer passengers are dumped off onto US for the remainder of their flights. For lack of better terms, it almost seems as if US's purpose in Star is to act like the bus to move around passengers, while UA and LH take care of the more premium customers.
JoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2060 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7389 times:
Quoting WunalaYann (Reply 11): When we talk about two airlines seeking an alliance, do we understand it as stronger ties than actual alliances (*A, 1W or SkyT)? Otherwise, CO could simply pull out of SkyT and join *A...
I don't really understand...
You also need to be accepted!
US got into STAR after they had signed a large codeshare deal with UA. So letting them into Star was the price UA had to pay. but what would be the price for UA to not veto CO? Everybody needs to gain something from a new member. So without a significant codehsrae deal with UA I can't see CO in STAR.
CO is the leading US carrier to Mexico, has a large Central American network and it has the best east coast hub destination (EWR), not to mention the missing southern hub in IAH.
Last but not least CO would not come alone, you also get their beautiful 'doughter' COPA!
Boston92 From United States, joined Aug 2006, 3045 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7383 times:
Quoting Whappeh (Reply 12): it almost seems as if US's purpose in Star is to act like the bus to move around passengers, while UA and LH take care of the more premium customers.
Well, if you ask me, the Star Alliance does not need a bus. US brings the *A somewhat of a bad reputation.
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Whappeh From United States, joined Mar 2006, 1030 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7276 times:
Quoting Boston92 (Reply 14): Well, if you ask me, the Star Alliance does not need a bus. US brings the *A somewhat of a bad reputation.
Which would explain why Lufthansa uses them so much? Seriously, I'm willing to bet that at least 25% of your average flights from FRA to the US on US are LH connections, mostly from India. Your opinion is one thing, but its far from the fact.
I am not sure thats exactly true................three words...New York City (EWR). That is a big hole in *A's network and CO IMHO would be a welcome addition to Star. I would love to see CO flying out of T1 at LHR with all the other Star carriers across the Atlantic to EWR. Sure we would not have JFK but I think BD will cover that in due course.
I think a tie up with Star brings so much more to CO than it does with Skyteam and if it went to Oneworld, again I can see it being the poor relation. AA is not going to allow it to step on its toes thats for sure.
That has to be the most ridiculous statement ever uttered on A.net--- and that's a tough distinction to achieve.
Star Alliance would go from being the weakest alliance (in both total pax and connections) in the largest metropolitan aviation market in the Western Hemisphere, to vying with SkyTeam as the largest... overnight... with just the addition of CO.
And then there's this little market called Texas, where Star is also astonishingly weak. Oh, and something about Mexico, where Star lacks a strong partner....
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WunalaYann From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 28 Reply 19, posted (1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6427 times:
Quoting JoFMO (Reply 13): You also need to be accepted!
Good point. Although considering American members of *A include UA and US, I'd say CO would at least be competitive, and, judging by a.net's general consensus on the subject, probably completely outclass both carriers in terms of service levels.
And which alliance without a dominating presence in the NYC market would be crazy enough to dismiss EWR???
Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 1): That would make so much more sense than CO engaging with OneHeathroWorld, where they'd be even more redundant than they are in SkyTeam.
Because of IAH and DFW? Maybe CO's China routes would be of interest to 1W?
Just wondering...
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