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Cathay's 747's To DXB?  
User currently offlineRonerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 442 posts, RR: 5
Posted (6 days 11 hours 17 minutes ago) and read 4131 times:
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I was checking CX's website for fares in October and all flights that go from HKG to DXB and stop in BOM are operated with the 744 (including the 2-stop milk run). Interestingly so, on their online timetable it shows as 74A however when i proceed to make a 'dummy' booking, the fleet shows 747.

Im sorry if this has been posted before, but when was the decision made to deploy the 747 here? and with the new product at that too? ... If that's the case, then that is great news!

Regards,
Roni


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User currently offlineCx773 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2001, 363 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 days 10 hours 3 minutes ago) and read 4028 times:

HKG-BKK-BOM-DXB will be operated by 74A for sure.  Smile

User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 1612 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (6 days 9 hours 53 minutes ago) and read 4010 times:

DXB increasing demand has attracted larger equipment in the past, but CX upgrade surely is a surprise.

So now besides CX, 744s are used on DXB flights by LH, SV, AI and BA (seasonally). Anyone else?


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User currently offlineFly2CHC From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 days 9 hours 44 minutes ago) and read 3989 times:



Quoting JoKeR (Reply 2):
So now besides CX, 744s are used on DXB flights by LH, SV, AI and BA (seasonally).

I think AI have stopped their 744 flights into DXB.

RB still operate 747s from DAM.

User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 1612 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 days 9 hours 39 minutes ago) and read 3973 times:



Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 3):

I think AI have stopped their 744 flights into DXB.

Then their 738s/313s have one hell of a camouflage.  Smile))) Saw an AI 744 parked next to us on my recent trip to DXB, both when I arrived and few days later when I returned from DXB.

I know about RB, there is also GMG and Biman and Mahan if I'm not mistaken, but these are not 744s.


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User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong SAR, PRC, joined Dec 1999, 5270 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (6 days 9 hours 27 minutes ago) and read 3947 times:

With the Middle Eastern carriers and now Jet Airways providing a much superior product to Cathay's 'regional' business class on the 777s, the decision to change to the 74A was not for additional capacity alone but because the new long haul product is a worthy competitor of those other carriers.

User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 days 9 hours 1 minute ago) and read 3889 times:

Guys don't get excited. The B74A technically has 2 seats less than the B773A. So it is more of a downgrade.

The CX 750/751 and CX 685/684 will be operated by the B74A from October.


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User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong SAR, PRC, joined Dec 1999, 5270 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (6 days 8 hours 44 minutes ago) and read 3845 times:

Actually the 773 in regional configuration at Cathay has 385 seats versus I think 379 for the 74A.

User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong SAR, PRC, joined Jul 2005, 1339 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 days 8 hours 44 minutes ago) and read 3840 times:



Quoting Ojas (Reply 6):
So it is more of a downgrade.

You missed the point big time.


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User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 days 8 hours 37 minutes ago) and read 3819 times:



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 8):
You missed the point big time

Oh yes you are right overlooked that post  Wink.


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User currently offlineRonerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 442 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (6 days 8 hours 38 minutes ago) and read 3819 times:
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Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 5):
With the Middle Eastern carriers and now Jet Airways providing a much superior product to Cathay's 'regional' business class on the 777s, the decision to change to the 74A was not for additional capacity alone but because the new long haul product is a worthy competitor of those other carriers.

So will we see the 333's with the new products at DXB (and BAH) then? Considering that the non-stops to HKG will probably attract more premium pax. Or is this just an Indian strategy that CX has adopted?

Regards,
Roni


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User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong SAR, PRC, joined Dec 1999, 5270 posts, RR: 42
Reply 11, posted (6 days 7 hours 49 minutes ago) and read 3721 times:



Quoting Ronerone (Reply 10):
So will we see the 333's with the new products at DXB (and BAH) then? Considering that the non-stops to HKG will probably attract more premium pax. Or is this just an Indian strategy that CX has adopted?

I have not heard that the new product 333s will head to DXB. Maybe someone with better info can fill us in?

User currently offlineRamzi From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 days 6 hours 44 minutes ago) and read 3621 times:



Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 7):
74A

Excuse my ignorance but I've never seen '74A' mentioned. Clearly its a 747 freighter, but which subtype?

Thanks.


Yes.

User currently offlineRonerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 442 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (6 days 6 hours 20 minutes ago) and read 3576 times:
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Quoting Ramzi (Reply 12):
Excuse my ignorance but I've never seen '74A' mentioned. Clearly its a 747 freighter, but which subtype?

No, 74A is an indication that it is a 747 with the new product. If it was a freighter, it wouldnt appear on the passenger service schedule on their website.

Regards,
Roni


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User currently offlineMisbeehavin From United States, joined Mar 2005, 677 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 days 3 hours 45 minutes ago) and read 3394 times:



Quoting Ronerone (Reply 13):
No, 74A is an indication that it is a 747 with the new product

Yep! The 74As have this layout, with the brilliant new product:
http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/images/aircraft_type/747_400A.gif

Compared with the old standard layout:
http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/airc...type/imageFolder/ff747_400_74y.gif

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 2):
DXB increasing demand has attracted larger equipment in the past, but CX upgrade surely is a surprise.

I think the upgrade is more targeted to the BOM market than DXB. Anyone know what happened recently that has led to a flood of flights? I was in BOM for a couple of weeks on work just a few months ago and was looking into doing a weekend trip to HKG. Turns out there wasn't a single nonstop BOM-HKG flight and now suddenly there are at least 3-4?

That's a massive change in no time at all!

User currently offlineRamzi From Lebanon, joined Oct 2006, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 days 3 hours 2 minutes ago) and read 3349 times:



Quoting Ronerone (Reply 13):
No, 74A is an indication that it is a 747 with the new product. If it was a freighter, it wouldnt appear on the passenger service schedule on their website.

Sorry about that, I sort of skimmed through the thread too quickly. And i assumed freighter I guess because I was exploring the enormity of cargo flights CX serves into DXB or through it a few days ago. Thanks.


Yes.

User currently offlineRonerone From Jordan, joined Aug 2004, 442 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (6 days 2 hours 48 minutes ago) and read 3315 times:
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Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 14):
I think the upgrade is more targeted to the BOM market than DXB. Anyone know what happened recently that has led to a flood of flights? I was in BOM for a couple of weeks on work just a few months ago and was looking into doing a weekend trip to HKG. Turns out there wasn't a single nonstop BOM-HKG flight and now suddenly there are at least 3-4?

You are right. First of all, the change to new product seems like a response to Jet Airways' launch of services to HKG. Secondly, i believe the bilaterals between HKG and India have been revised and Cathay and Dragonair were granted additional frequencies. As a result, i believe Cathay wasted no time to exercise all the rights if im not mistaken. This resulted in the influx of additional CX capacity in India, and also the extra tag-ons to DXB.

Cathay's HKG location is at an advantage when compared to SIN or BKK for US (especially West Coast) to India O & D traffic as it permits for just one-stop connections as opposed to stopping over at TPE/ICN etc. and then connecting at SIN / BKK for example. Not only can CX be at an advantage over SQ, TG, and perhaps MH, but can also compete with the likes of EK, EY, and QR as well, which also offer one stop connections on the other side of the globe.

Regards,
Roni


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User currently offlineFly2CHC From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 days 59 minutes ago) and read 2903 times:



Quoting JoKeR (Reply 4):
Then their 738s/313s have one hell of a camouflage

Per Amadeus:

1IC:AI9679 D BOM 2 DXB 0745 0905 0 16JAN08 01MAY09 320 2:50
2 AI 717 D BOM 2 DXB 1 1445 1605 0 10MAY08 14AUG08 320 2:50
3IC:AI9683 D BOM 2 DXB 2030 2155 0 16JAN08 01MAY09 320 2:55

1IC:AI9897 D DEL 2 DXB 1 0750 0945 0 16JAN08 01MAY09 320 3:25
2IC:AI9895 D DEL 2 DXB 2000 2155 0 24APR08 01MAY09 320 3:25
3 AI 747 D DEL 2 DXB 1 2055 2245 0 03APR08 01MAY09 320 3:20

Can't see a 744 there. Perhaps they were in DXB for engineering or as diversions?

User currently offlineAirxliban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4203 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (6 days 25 minutes ago) and read 2735 times:



Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 3):
I think AI have stopped their 744 flights into DXB.

RB still operate 747s from DAM.

I've seen AI 74D's at Dubai recently, at least two weeks in a row in April. Not sure where they were operating to, but it was around 5pm on Friday nights.

I believe that RB retired the 747SPs in late March...unfortunately.


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User currently offline9V-SPJ From India, joined Dec 2000, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 days 22 hours 48 minutes ago) and read 2310 times:

Cathay not only has good connections from India to the US, it is also much cheaper. My mom is going to India in November of this year and it was the cheapest alternative (miles cheaper than SQ). SQ is ridiculously expensive to the point where it makes no sense to pay so much for what may be superior service to CX.

9V-SPJ

User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong SAR, PRC, joined Dec 1999, 5270 posts, RR: 42
Reply 20, posted (5 days 12 hours 3 minutes ago) and read 704 times:



Quoting Ronerone (Reply 16):
believe the bilaterals between HKG and India have been revised and Cathay and Dragonair were granted additional frequencies. As a result, i believe Cathay wasted no time to exercise all the rights if im not mistaken. This resulted in the influx of additional CX capacity in India, and also the extra tag-ons to DXB.

It was indeed due to the bilaterals and although they allow passenger services through India to destinations in Europe (Apart from LHR) which CX have not done, they have otherwise been fully exercised and even then, CX could easily launch more flights to India if the authorities allowed.

User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 days 11 hours 51 minutes ago) and read 666 times:

It was so difficult to digest the fact that till october 2007, there was not a single non stop flight between BOM and