Reltney From United States, joined Jun 2004, 149 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4806 times:
If you have only the facts can you help..
How many years had Delta Air Lines had consecutive profitability in the past (prior to the 90s). I cannot find an old book I own which has this info but the facts are out there. As best as I can remember they went from about 1940 to 1981 with out a loss? That is close but not quite right. Anyone have the facts?
I ask because SWA is about to break this record if they haven't already and I want to win another round of drinks from my Southwest pilot girlfriend.
Mayor From United States, joined Mar 2008, 2065 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4421 times:
I don't have any later figures because my Delta book only goes up to 79. I do know it was until '82, tho.
So the consecutive profitable years were from 1947 until 1982.
[Edited 2008-04-23 07:17:50]
"Running an airline is like having a baby: fun to conceive, but hell to deliver." C.E. Woolman
JetJeanes From United States, joined Oct 2004, 1255 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4280 times:
they took a hell of a pop 1st quarter year before last and rebounded back in the other quarters, They just have to adjust the rates to the cost of fuel. I dont think anone counted on this large of a spike in the last three months,, Whose to say it hits 200 a barrell tommorrow.... There is no limit,,,
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States, joined Sep 2007, 1344 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3740 times:
Wow.
See, it only takes a few wrong people to screw a good thing up. I think it started with Beebe (sp?) IMO. Although he was a long time Delta employee, he changed that seat a lot and we all know he really pushed for his mentee to get in...
CAM2:"Lightnight coming out of that one." CAM1: "What?"
See, it only takes a few wrong people to screw a good thing up. I think it started with Beebe (sp?) IMO. Although he was a long time Delta employee, he changed that seat a lot and we all know he really pushed for his mentee to get in...
Well, he was the one that groomed Ron Allen to take over. Dave Garrett was the last good one I remember. Seemed like a nice enough guy. Whit Hawkins or Hollis Harris probably should have been the CEO before Ron Allen ever was.
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SLCUT2777 From United States, joined Dec 2005, 3541 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3483 times:
Quoting Mayor (Reply 6): Whit Hawkins or Hollis Harris probably should have been the CEO before Ron Allen ever was.
Even Gerry Grinstein should have been considered more seriously (even though he didn't think it would be a good thing) after the Western merger. Ronald W. Allen and Leo Mullin are the two that systematically destroyed DL.
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CatIII From United States, joined Mar 2008, 298 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3423 times:
Quoting Reltney (Thread starter): I ask because SWA is about to break this record if they haven't already and I want to win another round of drinks from my Southwest pilot girlfriend.
ConcordeBoy From United States, joined Feb 2001, 18542 posts, RR: 79 Reply 10, posted (8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3240 times:
Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 7): Ronald W. Allen and Leo Mullin are the two that systematically destroyed DL.
...though I'll always question such seemingly-brilliant ideas as buying high-end 772ERs for flights to only the UK and France, or buying 280+ seater aircraft with 6500mi range primarily for flights to Florida, LaGuardia, and a pineapple or two; how really can it be said that the likes of Allen/Mullin "destroyed" what continues to exist, as relatively fit to survive as any of the other Big3? Perhaps in spirit only?
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Tommytoyz From United States, joined Jan 2007, 84 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2651 times:
Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 8): Delta will pull out of in the next two quarters, they did it last time
Like as in Bankruptcy? Delta ceased existing in its original form after the bankruptcy as all stock it had issued were canceled and declared worthless. The new entity is just that - a new entity with new stock issued and sold to investors.
CatIII From United States, joined Mar 2008, 298 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2104 times:
Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 10): Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 7):
Ronald W. Allen and Leo Mullin are the two that systematically destroyed DL.
...though I'll always question such seemingly-brilliant ideas as buying high-end 772ERs for flights to only the UK and France, or buying 280+ seater aircraft with 6500mi range primarily for flights to Florida, LaGuardia, and a pineapple or two; how really can it be said that the likes of Allen/Mullin "destroyed" what continues to exist, as relatively fit to survive as any of the other Big3? Perhaps in spirit only?
Agreed. Allen did the PA purchase, giving DL instant access to most of Europe. Mullin started the significant Carribbean/S.A. expansion. DL would not be the global airline it is today without those two moves.
Now, if you want to say Mullin didn't understand the culture and destoyed that, then I'm with you.
Mayor From United States, joined Mar 2008, 2065 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (8 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1393 times:
Quoting PagoFlyer (Reply 13): We agree, Ron Allen did good when DL bought PA...instant access overseas.
I'll always agree with that part. I always wondered how much of a bargain DLgot in the package deal compared to buying those same routes on the open market.
As for when Ron Allen took over, you could feel the palpable switch from the Delta family and culture almost from the first day he took over. It eroded slowly, at first but when Leo came in (a move that everyone applauded at first), it started to really go downhill after 9/11. Leo brought in people that could have cared less about the DL culture and some actually despised it, thinking that Delta made money all those years in spite of itself.
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CatIII From United States, joined Mar 2008, 298 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (8 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1011 times:
Quoting Mayor (Reply 14): Leo brought in people that could have cared less about the DL culture and some actually despised it, thinking that Delta made money all those years in spite of itself.
Mayor From United States, joined Mar 2008, 2065 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 408 times:
Quoting CatIII (Reply 17): Quoting Mayor (Reply 14):
Leo brought in people that could have cared less about the DL culture and some actually despised it, thinking that Delta made money all those years in spite of itself.
Any indication of the same under the new regime?
Hard for me to tell as I'm retired. I do know that the past regime (Grinstein's) broke several promises to the retirees during and after the BK. As likable as Grinstein was, he still takes some of the blame for hiring Leo in the first place. I've seen no negative actions on the part of Anderson's people towards the retirees but, I've seen no positive ones, either. I'm thinking they're busy with all this other stuff to worry about us, for now.
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