CX747 From United States, joined May 1999, 4236 posts, RR: 4 Posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 936 times:
It was reported in this weeks Aviation Week and Space Technology that MAS is going to undergo a massive restructuring. Their 16 strong fleet of 747-400s will be cut in half to 8 airframes. The 777-200ERs will see their numbers reduced from 11 to 8 also. The 737-300/400 fleet will be reduced by one airframe to 36. A330-300s will be reduced from 11 to 8 and the Fokker F50s will be drastically reduced from 10 to 4. The 8 747-400s that are be taken out of the fleet will be leased out. The 777s will be returned to lessors. The F50s are to be sold. Unfortunately it does not say what will become of the 3 A330-300s that will be withdrawn from the fleet.
Several routes will also be aletered or suspended. The list includes Frankfurt, Rome, Paris, Vienna, Manchester, Zurich and Munich. The Kuala Lumpur-London Heathrow code-share with Virgin will stay intact.
So, there you have it. A carrier that in the past few months seemed destined to order either the 737NGs or A32Xs along with the 777LRs or A340NGs is now reducing its fleet. While I wouldn't bet the house on it, I don't forsee them ordering the A3XX anytime soon.
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
The777Man From United States, joined Jul 1999, 3340 posts, RR: 48 Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 636 times:
This is not a joke!! CX747 is a respected user and I just got the same Aviation Week in my hand and I just also read the article. It's a bit surprising but I've heard more weird things before. The article also mentioned that the may stop flights to LAX. I'm not sure if all of the mentioned downscaling is decided yet or only being contemplated at this time. The info on Aviation Week is on a secured server so I can't post here for you. The777Man
The777Man From United States, joined Jul 1999, 3340 posts, RR: 48 Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 616 times:
That's what the article said. There's a lot of competition on LAX-NRT and MH doesn't fly it daily, they also fly via TPE to KUL at night. Perhaps they will reconsider and fly 777s to LAX daily via TPE ? The777Man
SR3496 From Switzerland, joined May 2000, 792 posts, RR: 19 Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 578 times:
If this happen, then can really close the KLIA. It would be too big. But I don't belive this news, even when it is written it this Aviation News. It must be wrong!
CX747 From United States, joined May 1999, 4236 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 583 times:
AFa340-300E: I got this information from my "paper" copy of Aviation Week and Space Technology.
Avion: No, this is not a joke. As stated above, it comes directly from Aviation Week and Space Technology, Vol 153, No. 19, November 6, 2000 pg 41
Trvlr: The article states, "The daily Kuala Lumpur-Los Angeles service, once seen as a "gold mine" route, would terminate in Tokyo three times a week and in Taipei four times weekly, with ongoing service operated on a code-share basis with Northwest Airlines, which operates Kuala Lumpur-Kansai services three times weekly with connections to more than 200 cities in the U.S."
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
Phileo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 569 times:
Quite a confliting article from Aviation Week and Space Technology. I have no idea where they get the news from. By the way, the only route and fleet reduction I could really accept will be for the Domestic route with B734/5. However, this will not results in significant impact due to the extra service with larger aircraft during the festival seasons.
I have no idea why MAS want to cut their European route (except Amsterdam and Londan). As far as I concerned, they have been trying to get extra landing slot in Paris but fail to do so for years. Beside that, they also increase their capacity for manchester from B777 to B747 with the plan to increase frequency. If they are losing money on these route, why they want to cut it?
Talking about route/frequency reduction strategy, it totally oppposite as what happenned in Australia. From this July 12, MAS has increased it frequency to Perth from 12 to 14, all with B777 (they used to have some A330 on the Morning flight from Perth). Beside that, they have been advertised so much in the local newspaper (The WestAustralian).
If MAS want to cut route and frequency, it will be even more uncompetitive as compared to it's main rival SIA. Maybe MAS has been loosing all it's customers to SIA, but I'm pretty sure the reasons is because of higher ticket price charged by MAS (normally at least 10% higher) while for business travellers, SIA provides more appealing premium products and services with the comprehensive timetable and members of the Star Alliance as well.
Just some of the personal though as a Malaysian...
Steman From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 1131 posts, RR: 7 Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 554 times:
Hi,
if they will drop the Rome-Kuala Lumpur flight in code share with Alitalia, then AZ will have to do the flight on its own: they'll drop it too.
Ciao
Bibeb From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 26 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 505 times:
I agree on some points with SQ777. MAS should really join an alliance ASAP and use that in their branding, because at this moment, they cannot differentiate from other airlines. Everybody knows SIA/CX and their products, but after that, nobody knows the difference between Thai, Garuda, MAS and Philippines.
Together with partners, they can offer daily flights to busy destinations. So twice daily to AMS with KL and then connecting on KL flights through Europe, twice-daily to LHR with VS. They should keep their widebodies and only use them on thrunk routes. BTW, EWR route is doing good.
Perfect alliance partners are KL/NW, VS (although attched to SIA).
G-KIRAN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2000, 736 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 482 times:
I agree with SQ777 about the staff at KLIA.Most of them are so arrogant and cocky that it really annoys you.This is also ture about the immigration and customs personal as well.When compared to Changi,KLIA has a better environment due to the fact that it was recently built,but the staff there pull the image of the airport down.
As for MAS they really need to join a major alliance instead of forming code-shares with airlines.This could be the reason why MAS is losing out to THAI,Cathay and SIA as they belong to major alliances and thus they have access to thousands of passengers.
Another point about KLIA I have to bring up is that everytime I go there which is about once every month the airport is virtually empty with only domestic and singapore flights.Whats going on?
Capt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 466 times:
I simply cannot believe they are cutting their flight to MAN. They started flying the 7772ER, and then upgraded to 744, and now they are chopping the route? If this is true, they really need to think more carefully at the planning stage it appears.
And Phileo, why would MH want to cut their London flights?? Especially when BA has pulled out?
LH738 From Germany, joined Nov 2000, 97 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 461 times:
MAS is in no alliance and so they have problems in countries with a strong national airline. E.g. in Germany the Miles & More awards system attracts the business travelers (who will prefer a star alliance flight). They will mainly get tourists from these countries and their business or even first class seats remain empty.
Lxlgu From South Africa, joined Sep 2000, 1030 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 453 times:
I spoke to Johannesburg office of MAS this morning
and they expect JNB KUL to be daily as of 01April 2001.
The route is always fully booked and we battle to get
seats.I would think maybe the continuation to Buenos
Aires may be cancelled
Jr From United States, joined May 1999, 806 posts, RR: 6 Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 450 times:
Is MAS state owned or do they just have bad management? May be they should join skyteam and let DL help sort things out. Isn't delta looking for another asian partner?
GKirk From United Kingdom (Scotland), joined Jun 2000, 23222 posts, RR: 59 Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 422 times:
What a load of BS that is !!! The MAN route is very successful so why would they want to stop it, hell Ive even heard that they are going to increase freq to daily in the future.
When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
The777Man From United States, joined Jul 1999, 3340 posts, RR: 48 Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 412 times:
I agree a lot with SQ777 and think that MH should concentrate on fewer cities in Europe, but increase frequency to the ones they keep. I think they should get rid of ZRH, VIE and MAN. They could serve MAN thru LHR or AMS with codeshare and similiar to the other cities. I'm also surprised that EWR wasn't mentioned. I also think daily service to JNB seems like a great idea. I also think MH should fly daily KUL-TPE-LAX and discontinue LAX-NRT. I'm also surprised about this article and that we haven't heard anything before about this. Time will tell. The777Man
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