Centrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3204 posts, RR: 6 Posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2018 times:
I saw a thing about the history of Mongolia and of course in my head turned it into "I wonder what MIAT is like?".
I knew that the US had recently signed a deal with Mongolia that created better trade and diplomatic relations (opening the door for 738). It also allows for joint military training exercises. Mongolia has been changing drastically since becoming a democracy and seems to be looking for relations with lots of countries. They have tight relations with China, Korea (Thank you Hyundai) and Russia. They also have strong cultural and diplomatic relations with Japan (thank you sumo wrestlers).
So I went to the home page and was surprised at what I found. I expected some kind of cheap website but what I found was:
a website in 7 languages
on-line booking (JAL barely has that in English)
good information about the airline (not enough but for an average person..ok)
page about maintainence (M&E) organization (EASA approved). You can actually look at the gallery and see the maintanence done on the 737.
airline with in-flight movies and audio as well as a magazine in 4 languages.
updated schedules (but do not say what the A/C is but I assume International are with the A310))
About their fleet
Quoting http://www.miat.com/company_intro.php?companyid=1: In June 1994, 2 B-727 aircraft were purchased from the Republic of Korea making possible to operate international flights with own aircraft.
Upon the expansion of its international operation the company became a member of SITA reservation system in 1990, and IATA International Air Transport Association in 1996.
In May 1998, one A310-300 aircraft was leased in on financial lease from Airbus Industrie Financial Services in the framework of international and domestic fleet replacement project in order to meet foreign aviation authorities noise requirement.
B737-800 aircraft was delivered on operating lease from GATX in July 2002.
So what is their fleet made up of today? Break down and such?
ULN-PEK: 3x
ULN-TXL: 1X (via SVO)
ULN-SVO: 1x
ULN-NRT: 1x
ULN-IKT: 2x
ULN-ICN: 2X
They also have several domestic routes.
That seems like a limited usage of aircraft. Much of the longer flights are done with the A310-300 and domestics are done with other aircraft including the 737-800.
Just to note ULN is served by MIAT, Aero Mongolia, Aeroflot, Air China, Korean Airlines, and JAL (Seasonal)
What is the potential market for Mongolia?
What is the future fleet possibilities for MIAT?
What are future routes for MIAT?
Has anyone here on A.net ever flown on Miat?
Why so few photos of MIAT...seems like it would be one of those "rare" birds that people would want to photograph? (not in photo search...less than 50 picts of MIAT planes in database most dating before 2000)
I know this thread is doomed to a quick and sudden death due to its obscurity but I thought it might be fun to discuss something besides US/DL or LCC new routes to small cities.
Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
Nzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1320 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1920 times:
As tourism takes off in Mongolia i expect to see MIAT expand .. Have seem quite a few travel related programs on Mongolia and it sounds like it will really take off at some stage .. A lot of people now want to go to unspoilt places and cultures and there are not many of those around ..
The airline MIAT will be linked with the amount of tourists visiting the country, as one expands so will the other ..
Centrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3204 posts, RR: 6 Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1904 times:
I actually read a report from 2002 today that talked about the lack of infrastructure at ULN. As a land locked nation Mongolia not only will need ULN to be able to handle more pax travel but it will need to be able to support 767 or larger planes (cargo). The terminal at Genghis Khan International is limited and still needs lots of work. The apron is not quite up to standards.
But there seems to be a ton of investment from different organizations to build better infrastructure. First thing that was done was the creating of the M&E org for aircraft maintainence. If I rea it right, until recently all aircraft (Russian) were maintained by a group in IKT. But when the A310 and the 737s arrived maintainence of all aircraft went in house.
I guess that the government would not let MIAT expand or work on its own for years. They were also pushed around by the Soviet for decades and then by a Soviet style regime until only recently.
One kind of interesting thing.
SYD-HKG-LHR 9189 nm SYD-ULN-HLR 9229 nm
SYD-PVG-LHR 9232 nm
SYD-SIN-LHR 9274 nm
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Ryu2 From Taiwan Region, joined Aug 2002, 409 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1896 times:
I've been to Mongolia as I have friends who used to be teachers there -- it really is one of the world's unspoiled places, beautiful and no McDonald's, Starbucks, etc.
I flew the 738 from PEK and the A310 back. MIAT's service is actually not too bad for the 2-3 hour flights they fly on average.
I've got some pictures of MIAT's plane (not a.net quality though), the onboard food, and the country at:
I remember that when I was there, several An-24's were parked on the apron, with snow on their wings (as it had been snowing that night). No de-icing fluid or anything, just a bunch of guys in long coats climbing onto the wing with brooms!!! They'd sweep one plane clean and off it went, then the next one.
They certainly have a limited schedule.
Korean Flies to ULN 3 times a week while MIAT flies only what..twice a week to ICN. That is 5 a week. Not bad. Wonder if MIAT would increase. I was listening to a thing on the BBC a long while back about how Hyundai had hoped the Trans-Korean railroad would open so they could take parts to Mongolia over land instead of by air.
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Iahredhead From China, joined May 2006, 10 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1758 times:
I taught in UB for a year a few years back myself, 8/2002 - 6/2003. Flew in from ICN on the Airbus and back in after X-mas break on the Airbus again. (FYI, when I flew out for X-mas break, I was on Air China [737] and when I left for good in June of '03, I was on KE [332 or 333, which ever they have].)
I never got the chance to fly MIAT's 738. When I first got there, they had a 727 in their fleet. The 738 arrived while I was there, and at the time there was only one. Now, they may have acquired another. I don't know.
I never flew MIAT domestically, so I can't comment on their Russian prop planes.
I also remember MIAT's adding HKG to their route network while I was there, and FRA either while I was there or shortly after I left, for I remember seeing Frankfurt being advertized.
Scott
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." Abraham Lincoln
Swissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5170 posts, RR: 27 Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1068 times:
Quoting Viasa (Reply 12): Yes only one. But they have now also a B767-300.
Wasn't that the wet-lease of an Italian charter company which flew 1-2 times a week a MXP-TXL-(MOW)-ULN vv.
Quoting Stirling (Reply 15): I read somewhere, a long time ago, that the B727 was donated to them by the Korean Government. Do they still operate the aircraft?
The 727 which was given as gift is stored at ULN due to "political" reason. The other 727 left to South Africa. They are, or where, operating for Nationwide.
I checked out their website and agree it isn't as bad as one might expect. I did have the pleasure of seeing their A310 in TXL. Definitely belongs to the more exotic carriers out there.
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