ConcordeBoy From United States, joined Feb 2001, 18542 posts, RR: 79 Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1774 times:
Good stuff.
Would love to see 'em order the 772LR for NRT-JNB, that'd be an interesting endeavor
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767-332ER From United States, joined Mar 2001, 2019 posts, RR: 10 Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1756 times:
Who else is expected to receive 777-300ER's? How many of them...the Boeing site is a bit awkward in terms of its orders from which companies and numbers...ConcordeBoy, do you have this info or a way or getting it?
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Hamlet69 From United States, joined Mar 2000, 2241 posts, RR: 52 Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1746 times:
Good to see, although it is interesting that it will take so long for them to build up the fleet (8 aircraft in 4 years). As a comparison, KLM received their first 777 in November 2003; they will received their 10th one by February 2005.
Also, ConcordeBoy, thought you might be interested:
First -200LR is l/n 504, for PIA, shop complete scheduled for 2/10/05, delivery set for Feb. '06. First -200LR delivery is l/n 521, for Jan. '06 delivery. Design now 80% complete.
ConcordeBoy From United States, joined Feb 2001, 18542 posts, RR: 79 Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1730 times:
...the Boeing site is a bit awkward in terms of its orders from which companies and numbers
it is
Air France 10
All Nippon Airways 6
EVA Air 4
EVA Air 8
GE Capital Corporation* 10
GE Capital Corporation 4
ILFC U.S.A.* 18
JAL International 8
Pakistan Int'l Airlines 3
*Among the leased aircraft are 6 for AF and 26 for EK
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ConcordeBoy From United States, joined Feb 2001, 18542 posts, RR: 79 Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1721 times:
First -200LR is l/n 504, for PIA, shop complete scheduled for 2/10/05, delivery set for Feb. '06. First -200LR delivery is l/n 521, for Jan. '06 delivery. Design now 80% complete.
Thanks Hamster
Sad that they'll basically sit for 5mo before someone is ready to take delivery. Was always sorta hoping that someone (e.g., SQ when they inevitably toss those A345s) would step in and take 'em circa July '05
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Hamlet69 From United States, joined Mar 2000, 2241 posts, RR: 52 Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1701 times:
"Sad that they'll basically sit for 5mo before someone is ready to take delivery."
They actually won't be sitting. As the first aircraft produced, they will be undergoing ground/flight/route testing to gain a supplemental operating certificate. All new derivatives must be certified with the respective governing bodies. Admittedly, it doesn't need to take a full year, but trust me, these aircraft will be busy.
ConcordeBoy From United States, joined Feb 2001, 18542 posts, RR: 79 Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1559 times:
As the first aircraft produced, they will be undergoing ground/flight/route testing to gain a supplemental operating certificate. All new derivatives must be certified with the respective governing bodies.
...of course I know that, but unless the schedules have changed (which could very well be the case), was not certification scheduled to be completed by July '05? Hence the statement.
I might happend they swap 345 with 772LR at SQ!
English please?
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Hamlet69 From United States, joined Mar 2000, 2241 posts, RR: 52 Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1518 times:
ConcordeBoy,
First flight will be sometime in March. Once this happens, it will be followed by a roughly 6-7 month flight test program, which makes certification either late Sept. or Oct. Still, a ways off from delivery in Jan. 2006, but not too long. Of course, I expect they'll also use one or both of these aircraft to run a number of sales campaigns, which will delay the flight test program. And of course, you know they'll be trying to break some records as well. . .
ConcordeBoy From United States, joined Feb 2001, 18542 posts, RR: 79 Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1485 times:
I'm hoping it'll be at LBG during the show...
...while I realize that the A380 will most likely steal the show, I will be there specifically to see the 772LR.
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Hamlet69 From United States, joined Mar 2000, 2241 posts, RR: 52 Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1104 times:
It will begin with regional training routes, IIRC NRT-HKG will be the first. Once those are done, the plan is to send them Trans-Pacific. Have not heard a specific destination.
ConcordeBoy From United States, joined Feb 2001, 18542 posts, RR: 79 Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1032 times:
And of course, you know they'll be trying to break some records as well.
I must admit I'm rather surprised that Airbus didn't attempt to go for the 772ER's record with those A345 thingies.
Hamlet69 From United States, joined Mar 2000, 2241 posts, RR: 52 Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 922 times:
I was as well. OTOH, there was possibly two things that stopped them: 1) they knew the A340-500 would be operating the longest non-stop flight in the world anyway, which is probably more meaningful anyway, and 2) any record they attempted to perform with the A345, Boeing would probably break in 2005/06 with the 772LR, so why bother?
ConcordeBoy From United States, joined Feb 2001, 18542 posts, RR: 79 Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 913 times:
Couldnt agree with you more.
There's buzz that they're working on some A345HGW fortification, which will allegedly make that aircraft "more comparable" to the 772LR's promised specs.
I however find it mighty droll that Airbus, the Grand Mistress of PR/Propaganda, refuses to advertise both it and the supposed A346HaddaGoodWhizgigging nonsense.
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Greg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 901 times:
I imagine the 773ER will likely be Boeing's 'sleeper' aircraft. I don't think it's full potential will be realized by carriers for a few years...and then a flood of orders to replace 774's will appear.
Just speculation, but it's beat all it's initial performance quanties by a large margin...in fact, it appeared at one point, that Boeing itself was surprised at the aircrafts capabilities....
Not to denegrate what Airbus offers, the 340-600 will also evolve into a solid performer....
ConcordeBoy From United States, joined Feb 2001, 18542 posts, RR: 79 Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 892 times:
but it's beat all it's initial performance quanties by a large margin...in fact, it appeared at one point, that Boeing itself was surprised at the aircrafts capabilities
...and this is only phase-1;
wait until they take the GE90 over 120,000lbs
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ConcordeBoy From United States, joined Feb 2001, 18542 posts, RR: 79 Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 839 times:
The GE90 is certified at more than twice the power of the A345's Trent500, and (in testing) has produced more than five additional tons of thrust on top of that.
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WhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 814 times:
I wonder if that 5 months or so will include a tour?
They did it with the 764 and 753 in recent years. There will be air shows to think of too, which stretches the time out between rollout and delivery.
Presumably the first frame will also need a refit after testing with the customer ordered cabin layout. It isn't really that much time between rollout and delivery to PIA. The second one isn't a consecutive line number so that will probably not go into build until the middle of the year at the earliest.
Singapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13401 posts, RR: 18 Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 778 times:
Rumour has it that it will fly to Singapore on 1 July 2004.
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