Cchan From Hong Kong SAR, PRC, joined May 2003, 741 posts, RR: 1 Posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4353 times:
While I am thinking about where to get a ride on the L1011 before they go extinct, it comes to my mind that some of the common types we see today will be as hard to find in 5 - 10 years time. I am sure there are some of you out there who has the "try it before it disappear" dreams. The purpose of this thread is to list some of the candidates which could go extinct in 5 - 15 years time, and we should definitely think about getting a ride when it is easy. Also, somebody may be able to provide some information about where to find the less common types.
The ones I have in mind are (not including the already rare ones)
Turboprops
ATR42
BAe Jetstream 31/32
BAe Jetstream 41
Convair 580
DHC6 Twin Otter
Dash 7
EMB110
EMB120
Fokker 27
Fokker 50
Saab 340
Saab 2000
An 24
Y7
Y12
JakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1476 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4295 times:
A lot of these are already extinct, bar the odd machine floating around in the third world. I think some of your predictions are a bit harsh - after all you have in your list virtually every successful airliner ever built! If everything on that list becomes scrap soon there'll be one hell of world aircraft shortage!!
I think the 747-400 will slave on for many, many years, even in the west - despite the fact that the A380 has stolen its crown. Similarly, A310s are not ready yet for the third world or the scrap-man. Air Comet are still aqcuiring them, obviously with a view to operate them for more than 5 years. And again, many A300s are still quite new, although the last off the line have been freighters. Monarch certainly like them and have no plans to retire them in the near future. American still have a big fleet, plus DLH and several others with a smaller batch. The A300Bs are admittedly getting long-in-the-tooth, but many have now been converted for freight work, which they seem to be good at.
The MD-11 is now almost extinct passenger-wise, however they have over 20 years (most frames) left in them as freighters, so they're going nowhere. The Il-96 will be with Aeroflot for (judging by the Tu-134s!) at least 30 more years!
The last 757 (for Shanghai Airlines) was only rolled off less than two years ago, so that definately ain't going anywhere for 10-15 years at least. Interesting you haven't mentioned the 767, as the -200 is getting rarer these days. Still plenty of them if you look hard enough though.
JakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1476 posts, RR: 3 Reply 3, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3906 times:
I do to be honest think the 717 will be extinct well ahead of its time - at least with the majority of current operators anyway. I can see AirTran and Spanair/Aebal acquiring any unwanted frames over the next few years, so although they won't be extinct in every sense of the world there certainly won't be many places to see them. And I don't mean next year, by the way.....
Alessandro From Sweden, joined Sep 2001, 5297 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3868 times:
Turboprops
ATR42-No way, they´ll soldier on for a long time.
BAe Jetstream 31/32
BAe Jetstream 41
Convair 580
DHC6 Twin Otter
Dash 7
EMB110
EMB120-Will continue to fly for a long time.
Fokker 27
Fokker 50-
Saab 340-Will soldier on, also as cargo.
Saab 2000-Few born and many of these converted to budget AWACS.
An 24-Bound to dissappear, oldfashioned.
Y7
Y12
Regional jets and single aisle jets
BAe146-Hope they´ll go extinct soon.
Avro RJ
Fokker 28-Bound to become extinct.
Fokker 70-Will soldier on for a long time.
Fokker 100-Will soldier on for a long time.
A318 (maybe)
B717
B727-Doomed to be cargo
B737-200-Flying deathtraps if you ask me, hope they´ll go extinct fast.
B757-Boeing hotrod will continue to be demand for, both cargo-passenger.
DC9
MD80
MD90
IL62-Will continue to fly for a long time.
Tu134-They´re bound to dissappear.
Tu154-Will continue to fly for a long time.
Tu204-So few, so rare to begin with
Yak 40-Will dissappear, old fashion.
Yak 42-Will soldier on.
Widebodies
A300-Will solder on as cargo.
A310-Rare today, rare tomorrow.
A340-200/300-Yes, they sure will become rare, parts will be taken from them.
B747-400-Bound to soldier on as cargo.
MD11-Bound to soldier on as cargo.
IL86-rare to begin with only about 100 made, fuelthirst kills them off.
IL96-also rare to begin with.
JakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1476 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3727 times:
We ain't had the 1-11, the DC-8 or the 707 yet. All three are EXTREMELY rare (DC-8 is most common and you'll struggle to find one!) but still in service, albeit many as corporate transports.
MIA Airlines and Romavia still operate the 1-11 on (sort of) charter services, mainly undertaking work for the Romanian government. There are many coprorate conversions too, mostly in the US and Saudi Arabia.
As far as I know there are no pax DC-8s in regular revenue service these days, however there are still quite a number operating in cargo roles wordlwide, in particular in the US, Africa and the Middle East. Freight DC-8s still visit much of Europe but you'd still need a slice of luck and good timing to see one.
At the moment there is still one airline operating full scheduled services with 707s - Iran's Saha Air. Apart from them, the only other ones are again now used as corporate 'toys' (JT's 'V-Jet' springs to mind...), unless you include military versions (such as the KC-135). In fact, there are still quite a number of (only slightly converted) governmental and military frames, such as those used by the governments of Israel, Spain, the US and Angola, to name but a few.
There was a great chance here in the UK in Dec '06 to catch the first ever 707 series -138 to be delivered (to QF in 1959 I think) heading back to Oz from Southend, after spending many years derelict in the UK before being restored to flying condition by the QF Memorial Foundation.
A343 and 744 will certainly be around for another good 10 years. Even established airlines like Swiss, Finnair and Cathay are still buying them. and 747s as whole as freighters have very few types that can beat them.
American 767 From United States, joined May 1999, 2268 posts, RR: 11 Reply 7, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3529 times:
This is my list of airliners which I think it's hard to get a ride on these days, those are soon to be gone from passenger service:
A300: American and Lufthansa still have A300-600's, no other major airlines that I can think of
A310: Tarom, Biman and TAP still fly them, as well as other smaller carriers such as Air Transat
Boeing 707: an aircraft almost 50 years old!!! like JaxTrax mentions, only Saha Air still flies those as pax haulers
Boeing 727: already gone from the majors, only a few smaller carriers (for example Champion Air or First Air in Canada), still fly them as pax haulers
Boeing 737-200: not sure Delta still has them, only small carriers might still have them
Boeing 747 pre-400 series: I believe Qantas still flies 300's and Iran Air still flies SP's
Caravelle: Maybe Air Gabon still has them, other than that I can't find any still flying.
DC-8: even as a freighter it is difficult to find
DC-9 (not MD-80): unless you fly Northwest, the chances to get one are very tiny
DC-10: a 36 year old aircraft! only Biman Bangladesh still flies them
MD-11: KLM and Finnair still fly them, as well as other smaller carriers like Martinair
Shorts 330 and 360: I don't see them around anymore
Tupolev TU-134: even in Russia it would be difficult to find one to fly on
Ilyushin IL-62/86/96: quite a few of them still flying in Russia, the 96 is the youngest but there are only a dozen (maybe 15 at the most) of those flying as pax haulers in the world, it doesn't look like Ilyushin will built many more of those, if not any at all.
The following are new but not many are built:
Airbus A318
Boeing 717
Boeing 737-600
Boeing 757-300
Boeing 767-400
Ilyushin IL-96 which I mention above
Tupolev TU-204
The A300-600 and MD-11 will continue to fly as freighters for years to come.
Ben Soriano
Brussels Belgium
"Aimer jusqu'a l'impossible, c'est possible". Tina Arena.
Rikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 803 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3320 times:
Interesting that you mention the DHC-6 Twin Otter. Although it is a rarer type, the MAJORITY of all built are still flying! What is even more interesting, is that a company in Victoria, British Columbia, Canada has recently announced they are putting the type back into production. Viking Air ( http://www.vikingair.com/ ) is introducing a modernized version of the Twin Otter, marketed as a "series 400". Although not the original manufacturer, Viking has been producing OEM parts for all classic DHC aircraft up to the Dash 7. Twin Otter production will be in Victoria, with final assembly in Calgary, Alberta, Canada.
...Although completely impractical in todays high fuel prices, I'd love to see a new-build, fully modernized Dash 7!
JakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1476 posts, RR: 3 Reply 10, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3190 times:
Quoting American 767 (Reply 7): A300: American and Lufthansa still have A300-600's, no other major airlines that I can think of
Olympic, Thai, Monarch, Iran Air Tunisair, Libyan, Onur Air, Afriqiyah, Mahan (old B4s!), China Eastern, China Southern, MNG, JAL, Sudan, Korean.
Quoting American 767 (Reply 7): A310: Tarom, Biman and TAP still fly them, as well as other smaller carriers such as Air Transat
Air Comet, Iran Air, White, PIA, Air India, S7, CSA, Turkish, Royal Jordanian, Kuwait, SATA, MIAT, African Safari, Uzbekistan.
Quoting American 767 (Reply 7): Boeing 737-200: not sure Delta still has them, only small carriers might still have them
European, Canadian North, LAN, Air Comet Chile, Aviacsa, Aerolineas Del Sur, Sky Chile, Global Air, Avior, Nationwide, Zambian Airways, Conviasa, plus many more.
Quoting American 767 (Reply 7): Boeing 747 pre-400 series: I believe Qantas still flies 300's and Iran Air still flies SP's
-100
Orient Thai, Iran Air, Saudi.
-200
Northwest (charter only), Transaero, Aerolineas Argentinas, Air Pullmantur.
YOWza From Malaysia, joined Jul 2005, 3945 posts, RR: 20 Reply 11, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3063 times:
Quoting American 767 (Reply 7):
A300: American and Lufthansa still have A300-600's, no other major airlines that I can think of
Quoting JakTrax (Reply 10): Olympic, Thai, Monarch, Iran Air Tunisair, Libyan, Onur Air, Afriqiyah, Mahan (old B4s!), China Eastern, China Southern, MNG, JAL, Sudan, Korean.
Can't forget QR. They will be converted to freighter soon enough but for the moment they are still around. Given the premature phasing out of the 346 it is possible that this will be delayed.
Isn't the IL86 one of the only planes with 4 engines mounted on the rear? That is a widebody? I read that the seating is 3X3, unless I am confusing that with another plane...
Flyorski From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 608 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2817 times:
Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 13): Isn't the IL86 one of the only planes with 4 engines mounted on the rear? That is a widebody? I read that the seating is 3X3, unless I am confusing that with another plane.
I thought it was 3x3 as well.
Quoting Rikkus67 (Reply 9): Canada has recently announced they are putting the type back into production. Viking Air ( http://www.vikingair.com/ ) is introducing a modernized version of the Twin Otter, marketed as a "series 400". Although not the original manufacturer, Viking has been producing OEM parts for all classic DHC aircraft up to the Dash 7. Twin Otter production will be in Victoria, with final assembly in Calgary, Alberta, Canada.
That is VERY exciting! The DH6 is easily my favorite aircraft flying! Little bush operations with them are great!
"None are more hopelessly enslaved, than those who falsly believe they are free" -Goethe
SeansasLCY From Hong Kong SAR, PRC, joined Mar 2007, 396 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2698 times:
Quoting Flyorski (Reply 14): Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 13):
Isn't the IL86 one of the only planes with 4 engines mounted on the rear? That is a widebody? I read that the seating is 3X3, unless I am confusing that with another plane.
I think you mean the IL-62 that has 4 engines mounted on the rear. The IL-86 just has 4 underwing engines
747fan From United States, joined Jun 2007, 862 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2699 times:
Quoting JakTrax (Reply 5): All three are EXTREMELY rare (DC-8 is most common and you'll struggle to find one!)
Quoting American 767 (Reply 7): DC-8: even as a freighter it is difficult to find
Go to the UPS Worldport at SDF. You'll see numerous DC-8's around here, almost too many sometimes. However, they're mainly active at night; there's usually only 1 or 2 DC-8's at the most during the daytime, although you'll see many parked on the ramp. They're not very interesting to spot due to their quiet engines that are basically the same as the ones on the 737 and A320 series. But UPS will begin retiring these in the next few years, with them probably being gone around 2012 or so.
SDF is also a good place in the US to see a 747 classic, but these will be gone from UPS within the next year.
YULWinterSkies From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1208 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2166 times:
Quoting Lrdc9 (Reply 2): I laugh at the following predictions:
The 340-200 is close to being extinct though -but it is too rare to begin with-, and I will definitely add the 767-200 to the endangered list, with the probable exception of the CO fleet.
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